Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.


fun and sad at once ! (especially considering the quality of this song you can imagine all the gems lost forever...). jeez, you'd think someone would have had the idea to record EVERY SINGLE NOISE dylan was making at the time...
it's around the same time that he and the beatles recorded a track that made paul understanding the mysteries of the universe...but then forgot all about the next day !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This morning I have listened to 1975 up to and including Hurricane. It is a lot better than I thought, although to truly appreciate it I must learn to love heads-down, no-nonsense boogie-rock. I did not much care for Romance in Durango, mainly because it is not about Durango in the Basque Country, a place you could never rhyme with Fandango. Is that song a joke, by the way? It seems laden with Mexican cliches, many of which probably aren't Mexican at all (castanets?). I may learn to love it.

The sad version of Idiot Wind is fantastic, I think. Ditto If You See Her.

I have not yet paid attention to 1964. Not properly. But I will. One of my problems with these records is that you have to pay attention, rather than just use them as a background to nosepicking or whatever.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost "Golden Loom" is indeed with Emmylou Harris; think it was dropped from Desire. If so, another insane/stupid decision, considering that he did include crap like "J-o-o,weeey" (Lester Bangs wrote virulent attack on this album in Voice, incl busting "Joey" for glorifying socio-if-not-psychopath Mafioso Joey Gallo, and also busted "Hurricane" for exploitational motives, musical savvy aside, and ditto prev. "George Jackson" and "Emmett Till," and "Hollis Brown," too, I think!)(I always thought "Joey" was basically pranking himself and liberal/hero-worship-tending audience, thus maybe an influence on Andy Kaufman, who was just emerging--but like a lot of the actual Andy's own subsequent conceptual humour/torture, it went on quite a while, deliberately so, of course--maybe something as good as "Golden Loom" would have been too much of a consolation prize for having to hear "Joey," or maybe it was just another insane/stupid decision)(also on Desire, with Emmylou singing, is "Oh Sister," but it's better on Hard Rain; dunno if that's in print, but worth getting)(we need a glockenthread!)

don, Monday, 10 October 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

No discussion of Desire-outtakes is complete without mentioning Abandoned Love, from the Biograph box. It would have been one of the best songs on it, certainly superior to Black Diamond Bay and Romance In Durango.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

It's true, PJM, he likes the Mexican cliches! See also 'Billy', off the film.

I finished my consecutive listen to Bootlegs 1-3 the other day. It is worth doing, I think. An odd thing is that I have listened to CD3 a lot in the past but certain tracks seemed almost previously unheard to me: 'Tell Me', for instance. I note that the sleevenote on this track is misleading.

PJM is right about the acoustic, quiet 'Idiot Wind', so much better than the LP version; yes, right too about 'If You See Her. Say Hello'. But PJM, I thought you already liked heads-down, no-nonsense boogie rock!!

I'm glad Don likes 'Golden Loom' with ELH. Big surprise for me from the notes: it's not ELH singing on 'Every Grain of Sand', but Jennifer Warnes! I almost think this must be another mistake.

Has anyone explained the barking dog yet?

'When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky' is disappointing. 'Blind Willie McTell' is more about the US South than I had realized. 'Series of Dreams' is still good.

I think I need to listen to 'Eternal Circle' again.

the bobfox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Not on the Bootleg Series but recently I was listening to "Up to Me" from Biograph -- man that's a great song. The detail in his writing during this time... Good enough to be on Blood.... It was written during that period, wasn't it?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know whether I've heard Dylan's version ... but have you heard ... Roger McGuinn's? Classic.

the bobfox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, his version was on the recent Mojo comp and it is enjoyable. I like Dylan's better, though.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I have listened to the first half of Live 1964. It is very good. Some of the songs are almost like nursery rhymes. I must try them out on the little 'un. Also, even here the tuning up is good, despite being acoustic.

Today I almost went and re-bought some 'proper' albums. But I think I probably have enough with the Bootlegs and Biograph. Enough to be going on with.

I wonder if I kept that Mo-Jo comp or if I threw it away like a pranny.

PS: This is the only thread I like now. I may 'subscribe' to it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Somebody on Amazon bought my copy of Blonde on Blonde last night -- I wonder if it was an ILM lurker?

William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it worth asking why you sold it?

Miller, I am glad that you like the thread.

the bobfox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm selling the whole collection. (Burning or ripping before they leave my hands though.)

William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a great mp3 of the only live version of Abandoned Love, recorded at the Bitter End...a lot of the lyrics are different: "Send out for St. John the Evangelist / All my friends are drunk they can be dismissed / My head tells me it's time to make a change / but my heart is telling me / I love you but you're straaaaannnnnge" It's fantastic.

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

that's great, even just to read. xpost bobfox, sorry i called you pinefox before, Emmylou did a good "Every Grain" on Wrecking Ball, but also, Jennifer Warnes could be cool, well maybe! A (fairly) reliable friend of mine digs her album of L.Cohen songs, think it's titled Famous Blue Raincoat, and doesn't she sing on (at least)one of Leonard's own later albums?(h'mm,wonder what's playing on bobdylan.com right now?)

don, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm listening to vol 7 now ... the alternate take of "Visions of Johanna" just kills the "Blonde on Blonde" version. I always thought that the latter sounded too polished, too dainty (I have similar problems with about half of "BoB").

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Jennifer Warnes on that song. I believe she is on LC's First We Take Manhattan, or whatever that album is called.

Last night I went to The Fopp to re-buy Blonde on Blonde, but the queue was too long and they kept messing about and I was missing the football.

However, perhaps I would be better off getting Volume 7 instead. Thing is, it's £15, whereas the previous volume was £13.99 (I still have the receipt). That's £1.01 more expensive. Perhaps if I think about it long enough, the urge will pass.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 13 October 2005 06:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The football was good!

Also, I note that Germany has entered a Grand Coalition.

the bobfox, Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

From IMDB:

More troubling is a member of the Animals going uncriticized for opening a bottle with a hotel piano. Does Dylan let pass from a star what he would justly rebuke in an ordinary person? It happened behind Dylan's back. Maybe he was unaware of it.

The LC album is called I'm Your Man.

The Grand Coalition seems to have been shunted off the front pages since last this thread was updated.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob Neuwirth saw it though...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Has anyone explained the barking dog yet?"

The story I heard is that this take was a home demo. You can also faintly hear a door close after one of the barks.

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

No doubt it is the dog being escorted out of the room by an irate Jennifer Warnes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just watched "no direction home". it's good. bob was pretty funny around the "electric" era. it's clearly the world around him that's gone mad. he seemed much more clever and sane than all the fans, journalists etc...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

he seemed much more clever and sane than all the fans, journalists etc...

or so the Germans would have you believe... I think careful editing amps up this impression. I do agree that NDH exposes the kind of crap Dylan had to put up with at the time. Or as a recent Stereogum post put it, "Suck On Your Glasses, Judas!" I usually don't laugh out loud at things I find on the Internet, but that did me in.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I sorta like Bootleg Series 1-3 Disc One as my favorite Dylan album. So amazing!

gewsgf, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

How about 'I Was Young When I Left Home'? Does vol 7 repeat the version issued with Love & Theft; either way, does anyone save me rate the latter? Its very guitar playing seems poignant.

the bobfox, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

that "suck on your glasses" line does seem totally stupid out of context ! (but then, I guess that's the kind of things one says at a photo call...).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i was young when i left home is the same version on vol. 7 as it is on the love and theft bonus disc. but the vol.7 rendition has some opening remarks from Dylan, which are kind of funny. great song though, i agree.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I exchanged some boring Lou Reed guff for Volume 7 yesterday. I haven't listened to it yet, but it looks and feels nice.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

What was the Lou Reed? Had you bought it, from a shop?

It seems that vol 7, unlike other volumes, repeats existing and possibly familiar material.

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:52 (eighteen years ago) link

2 tracks are officially previously released.

Lou Reed NYC Man - a best of, 2 CDs for a fiver, from Fopp. So it was a part-exchange.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

But that sounds good!

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.


No. It's my single favourite Dylan performance.

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 28 October 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally picked up Vol. 7 this week. Columbia is really scraping the bottom of the barrel of the folkie era material - there's nothing as revelatory as Percy's Song or Moonshiner here, but the Highway 61/Blonde on Blonde outtakes are pretty good. It's a shame that they're scattered across Biograph, Bootleg Series Vol. 1-3, and Bootleg Series Vol. 7, though.

I like the alternate take of "Stuck Inside of Mobile" the best.

John Hunter, Friday, 28 October 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Vol 7, once it gets going, is fantastic.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm - where is 'Moonshiner' again? Maybe I don't have it (I don't have Biograph).

I am glad to hear about Vol 7. I'll have to get it!

the bobfox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Moonshiner is Vol 1, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

its vol one and it is indeed fantastic...

it was sitting in the back of my memory untill cat power did it so damnedwell...these days i cant decide which i like better...

i've meant to dig up some old versions of it. a co-worker knows it from houseparty sessions when she was a kid..but hasn't pointed to any recorded versions..allmusic herei come

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

seems theres a tim hardin version and several b the clancy bro's...must be a legitimate trad. version somewhere..lots of comp albums boast it...time will telll

has anyone bought/heard the starbucks tapes?

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the Starbucks "Gaslight" CD -- it's good. The version of "Moonshiner" on there isn't as spine-tingling as the Bootleg Vol. 1 version, but it's a standout.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

dave van ronk's "moonshiner" is pretty comparable to dylan's probably because that's where Dylan most likely learned it.

Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Crikey - I must go back to this 'Moonshiner'. I have a feeling that it did impress me, during the inevitable recent Dylan revival phase.

the bobfox, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I like She's Your Lover Now, but I always assumed it was left off Blonde On Blonde because it sounds too much like One Of Us Must Know. It does sound like a song that never quite finds its groove/tune. Maybe that's partly because I heard it after One Of Us Must Know.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Just listening to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (Take 5) from Vol.7.

So great.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't got time to see if I've mentioned this before, but the No Direction Home soundtrack is amazing Disc 1 has the high school tape you just hear in the background in the documentary: very gentle, but he seems to change some on each track (like if you've ever seen Daniel Kramer's book of Dylan photos, he changes from shot to shot on Kramer's contact sheet, while walking down the street with Suze Rotolo, for the Freewheelin' cover). On Disc 2, Mike Bloomfield finally gets his skronky garagey highway blues due; Dyl doesn't quite hiave his words and/or vocal cues down yet,in some cases, so I guess that's why he used other sessions as masters. (Maybe Mike distracted him, awww!)(and the 2 Live '66 tracks at the end aren't redundant at all, they fit perfectly)(those are the only 2 prev issued, I think)

don, Thursday, 24 November 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Really enjoying the The Witmark Demos, but as I've been searching out reviews of the set I'm getting a little sick of the Dylan fanatics whining "well I've heard all these before, so this is nothing new and I can't believe they bothered to package this". Gee, thanks, but some of us like to not have to scrounge through tons of bootlegs and will happily pay for this stuff all collected and cleaned up nice.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 October 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, yeah, this is a great set, even though i may have been one of the fanatics complaining originally. second disc in particular is just a joy to listen to. i definitely prefer some of the versions here to the album versions.

tylerw, Monday, 1 November 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I am listening to that second disc now!

I wanted to hear what 'I'll keep it with mine' sounded like in its very first instance.

And now I am hearing 'Boots of Spanish Leather' - my goodness. Such depth he seems to have found, to have plumbed or fallen into.

About 'keep it with mine', have I others mentioned before the basic difficulty with this song, namely that the 'everybody / will help you' line doesn't really fit vs the music, so every cover (and so many covers have occurred) has to solve this problem anew?

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

[= have I and / or others mentioned]

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Just listening to Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (Take 5) from Vol.7.
So great.
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 23 November 2005

the pinefox, Thursday, 10 February 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

You should post that to this thread as well: Bob Dylan's punk period

let’s get intertwined (morrisp), Saturday, 23 March 2024 20:11 (three weeks ago) link


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