― Jockey, Friday, 27 May 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
as caught up in my profession as I can get, I tend to think that if an artist makes a decision, good or lousy, it's actually the artist's fault.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
are you you? or that other one?
― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Selling on what level, though? On the level of the artists they remix? I mean, Shadow and RJD2 seem to do fairly well.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Can 'machinery' be replaced with 'instruments' and have the statement still be true?
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Maybe Diplo is a good test-case in what I'm thinking about here: how do you think it would work if, instead of associating with M.I.A., he was making a record with a white rapper or vocalist from Philly? How would it have worked in process, and how would the reception have gone?
(NB Matos the Diplo album was maybe further marred by being a little boring, even within the post-Shadow genre.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
based on this - http://www.indiana.edu/~teleweb/T101/independent.html - El-P says Fantastic Damage sold less than 50k in a year, surely RJD2's audience is smaller than that.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
That's my inclination, too. Doesn't anyone here subscribe to the SoundScan database? This is like the millionth thread when we've tried to guess the relative sales figures of particular albums.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jesse Dorris (rubber gloves), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link
RJD2: Definitely. I felt like I've played the consistency game. After Dead Ringer came out, there was the Soul Position record, the Diverse album, the Aceyalone record, all this s**t I did was basically normal Rap music, where I was doing this simple Rap beat thing and it was fun and cool, 95 beats per minute, chop your s**t up, whatever. F***in' moron music. I like it, but it's still moron music. When it came down for this record, it's like, what's the point of re-recording some other s**t? It would be cheap of me. I couldn't be honest. This record is as honest as I can be in terms of just sitting down and saying "This is what I feel." If I had tried to do another Dead Ringer, it would've just been a marketing gimmick to me. It might have gotten better reviews but that's not what it's about. I understand if people think, "Oh this s**t's soft or corny." At the end of the day, I don't get bent out of shape about it. This is at least a representation of the music that I like.
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Uh, some are, some aren't.
― steve-k, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― steve-k, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh bullshit.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link
the biggest internet dud of all time is "This shit has been covered." Maybe for you and your three friends, but not for a whole lot of intelligent people who are busy thinking about other things. And—please put this on your refrigerator if you give a shit about these things–I am not writing for your three interfriends, nor will I ever. These ideas want to circulate in the big, bad bloodstream and will, I think, read as news to many people.
He's wrong if he thinks he didn't write it for my three interfriends at least - they all went to EMP!
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Shakey, I don't think it's irrelevant, not if the issue is really -- as I'm kind of banging on about -- this anxiety about having the background that your music "belongs" to. There's a big difference in character between a middle-class white person dealing in American black music and dealing in Brazilian lower-class/black music, but the dynamics of them do have something to do with one another.
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Haha, well, I was looking for the exact quote, and that came up. But it's also probably a by-product of fact-checking and copy-editing for a living.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Dude, Shakey, it doesn't have to be about stealing and ownership; it's a lot more interesting if you think about it from the perspective of where people artists feel comfortable. From that perspective the mythical inner city and the even-more-mythical Rio slum are equally outside the immediate circle, you know? Jordan's voice thing is dead-on -- they can do the brass, but they have some self-consciousness that if they bring in their own voices it might not sound right, won't have the same quality as what they're playing, might even (to put words in his mouth) have fake or awkward qualities. Similarly: how would people react if Diplo, instead of just making some baile-inspired beats, actually tried to rap like that?
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think so. One is a community that's in your own backyard and may actually come after you over perceived injustices/thievery - while the other is distant and (probably) completely oblivious. The difference in the power politics of either scenario is self-evident.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Makes me think of when eminem started producing and people were like, God this is funkless. But maybe he was just embracing his whiteness lol. Message seems to be, everyone should just stick to their own. If that gets rid of Iggy azaleas shtick then great, but pushed to extremes, it seems pretty limiting.
― candyman, Sunday, 3 January 2021 08:49 (three years ago) link