Desperate Bicycles Discography Online

I dunno. I hypocrit cuz I downloaded the tracks? Maybe they don't want to be looked on as 'historical' or what they do nowadays would be 'spoiled' by 'immature daubings' or whatever?

I dunno, I havent played it yet.

They did release it then, and they have the right to not release it now. Releasing it then doesn't make it public domain. As I mentioned above, there's lots of grey areas...I never said nobody should be allowed to hear them, I've probably done more then anybody in spreading their music because I thought people should hear these great records, all the time confident that the people I was giving these CDs to would buy the records given the chance and would def. buy a reissue should it happen. I was just naive enough to think nobody would bootleg it. They did, and I felt guilty and still do, so now I fall on the side of not freely trading music that doesn't belong to me. Or I'm more likely to make mix tapes then compile "The complete..." because once you do that, it just makes the bootleggers jobs easier.

For a few years now there's been someone selling Prefects CDs of Peel Sessions and live stuff, as well as tons of other punk stuff, all at considerable profit. I hope even people who are aware of his site still find it worthwhile to buy Acute's forthcoming Prefects CD, if only for the liner notes and the fact that money will go to the band.

I even got a copy of the CD directly to Duran Duran's PR agent who said she'd give it directly to John Taylor, as they grew out of the same Birmingham punk scene. Haven't heard back from Mr. Taylor yet though! At the least I hope he'll find it a kick, in the nostalgic sense.

http://www.carparkrecords.com/acute_US.html

or buy it from our distributor Mordam, or Forced Exposure, Other Music, whatever your favorite retailer is. iTunes and other trustworthy digital downloaders as well.

I might be pretty dumb, and I don't understand this.

Sasha, you are correct in your disunderstandment.

If the music is more accessible, more people will get it from the 'free' source, and less people will illegally profit from it. Hray.

But, if the music is more accessible from a free source, the list of people who will not profit from it includes the original artists. Boo.

So now I have the CD, I most probably would not buy the properly remastered version. But I probably would not have anyway.

http://www.headheritage.co.uk/headtohead/show.php?show=message&id=229475

The reviewer doesn't seem to know who's in the Nightingales, apart from Robert Lloyd, but correctly guesses that Alan Apperley is a lecturer.

Derek Erdman is not responsible for the actions of people who are not Derek Erdman, except the hordes of slime-gods who reign in the center of the Earth, of whom he secretly has control.

You don't think I should be allowed to hear them, so up yours Mr. Selzer-Water.

Please then tell me why we have any copyright laws whatsoever?

You don't think I should be allowed to hear them, so up yours Mr. Selzer-Water.

Please, more people have heard of the Desperate Bicycles because of me, in some small part in addition to the likes of Johan Kugelberg, Chuck Warner, Richard Mason etc. I have spent the better part of the last 5 or 6 years making people aware of the Desperate Bicycles, I don't take kindly to the suggestion that I don't think people should be allowed to hear them.

Copying the music for someone you may know personally, and making it available to anyone who has access to google, I think are two different things. I never apologized for the hundreds of Desperate Bicycles CDs I made for people...untill I saw somebody selling them. I still make copies of the CD for friends and people I trust.

wait. you downloaded this? you are nothing but a common criminal

Didn't you admit that you should have sent Derek a copy but apparently forgot to, as well as kept the money that he sent for postage?

To me that's the worst kind of bootlegger. Unless of course it was a "handling charge".

I usually don't equate someone who is not a professional retailer of music that misplaced a blank cd case with 3 dollars in cash with "the worst kind of bootlegger". I apologized to Derek publically, and offered to send him something else. Not to beat another point to the ground, but I asked for a SASE, because it is very hard for me deal with the lines at local post office branch during my lunch break, and instead got cash. Had I received the requested SASE, I would've sent it out sooner, most likely.

The Bicycles are just ok as far as I'm concerned.

That "the artist's wishes" argument is just plain stupid. The same insanity that allowed Zappa to RUIN all of his early records by messing with the reissue tapes 'cause he thought he could make them "better" or something. If artists are deliberately withholding good music from the public, keeping it exclusively in the domain of collector scum and the trading elite (that means you), then they fucking deserve to be bootlegged and fileshared. Let's start with Organum... Anybody wanna make me a CDR of all those 1-sided singles?

"I think that bootlegs help keep the flame of music alive by keeping it out of not only the industry's conception of the artist, but also the artist's conception of the artist." -Lenny Kaye

And, obviously, at least one band member also wants the stuff released.

But I'm going to have to disagree with you and with Lenny Kaye on that one. There's other issues here and in most situations. If Patti Smith was working on remastering some never-before issued Radio Ethiopa outtakes and I got my hands on a crappy 3rd generation tape, it'd be cool for me to release it, to my profit?

It's one thing to defend filesharing, another thing alltogether to defend outright bootlegging. You write some music and see someone selling it for their profit, before you decided to put it out. Did you "fucking deserve" to be bootlegged?

And sorry if I sound like a record executive, but sometimes bootlegs making music easily accessible stop people from bothering to properly license it or make sure the artists actively get paid. It's happening a lot in dance music reissues these days, I think. While I sent out a lot of Desp Bikes CDs, I always figured it wasn't THAT many, and if someone put out a properly remastered version and promoted it well, that it would sell, but if someone put a Desp Bikes CD in the store and it sold a lot of copies, would the proper version stand as much a chance? What are the precedents of this? I never bought the legit Neu!, Cluster and Silver Apples CDs because I had owned the bootlegs for years.

And for the record, perhaps a lot of people like the Desperate Bicycles because they are obscure and hard to get a hold of. Personally, I love the music, and find myself singing their songs all the time.

yeah, fuck zappa. what on earth made him think that he was allowed to work on his own material?

And £24.99, while not cheap, is not an awful price for originals, seeing as reissues tend to go 'full artefact' and cost easily that much these days. Obviously if it's a boot then it's a rip-off.