Pixies: Classic or Dud

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What I found most interesting about Pixies docu: Gil Norton looking and sounding like Ray Stubbs' eccentric older brother.

I love the Pixies dearly (and the doc made me want to dig out Come on Pilgrim again). But here's the thing: when I first heard Surfer Rosa, in a small, cold student flat in Norwich 1989, I thought it was abysmal, shouty, formless and stupid. One year later, driving around downtown Portland, Oregon it all made fantastic sense. Which makes me wonder: how does location and geographic cultural space affect the way you hear music? As an English box bedroom boy I grew up favouring the intimate confessional indie (Smiths) and domestic disco (Pet Shop Boys) one would expect, and I'm not sure the Pixies could ever make sense to me in that context. However, blasting out of a car stereo on an open Oregon highway there was suddenly *room* for the music. Maybe only a certain type of uptight, claustrophobic Englishman needs to actually go to the US to understand rock, but it puts me in mind of something Gertrude Stein said - what makes America what it is "is that there is more space where nobody is than where anybody is". And I think I heard something like that in the sound of Surfer Rosa.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mrs. Welthorpe, I understand you! (But then you have the Wedding Present (the cascading guitars!). We have the Poster Children, Unrest...)

The only Pixies album I ever had was Doolittle. Now I want it back again!

youn, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I adore Mrs W's reminiscences - this is more vintage stuff. But as I recall, Come On Pilgrim sucks, and Surfer Rosa is bad too. It's only with Doolittle that they get good - restraint, suggestion, content, seriousness, mystery, threat, blah - and they stay good for the next 2 LPs. The docu (including the band themselves, when on it) bought into the Pixies myth that Bossanova and TLM are bad and fallings-off from grate beginnings - I think the reverse is true. Imagine if the order of the LPs was reversed: imagine how we could all agree about the decline...

What is "guitar tone", and should I know about it?

the pinefox, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pooing on _Come On Pilgrim_ & _Surfer Rosa_ is as unfair as pooing on _Bossanova_ & _Trompe Le Monde_. Two totally different bands - one's more aggressive and wacky, the other more refined and understated (relatively speaking). _Doolittle_ is the hinge upon which this refinement swings, of course. I am partial to _Surfer Rosa_ nowadays (though _Doolittle_ Changed My Life (TM), and I rarely listen to the Pixies anymore).

And Frank Black's 1st album has just as much to offer as _Teenager of the Year_. I have no idea how his other stuff is (though the word is to beware of later albums, regardless of his semi-newfound fondness for the 2-track demo get-it-on-the-first-take ethos).

David Raposa, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nice observation David. "Doolitle" is their central work. In genre terms I would say: "Come on Pilgrim"/"Surfer Rosa" are rock avantgarde (as JAMC's "Psychocandy" was). "Doolittle" is indie- spirited (building on walls already erected) and "Bossanova" and "Trompe Le Monde" are (almost) mainstream. And the first Frank Black is quite good (don't know "Teenager") as well. I also have the "Cult of Ray" which is crap.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Pixies kick my arse and yours

Robert KJ Porter, Sunday, 5 January 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

The original Pixies C/D thread.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic. They take everything that is exciting and "right" about punk rock, and leave the bad.

Plus, great lyrics.

David Allen, Monday, 6 January 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten months pass...
CD80 'portable' Pixies go!

Vamos (Come on Pilgrim vers.)
Isla de Encanta
Bone Machine
Break My Body
Something Against You
Gigantic (album vers.)
River Euphrates (album vers.)
Where is My Mind?
Debaser
Wave of Mutilation (album vers.)
Here Comes Your Man
Monkey Gone to Heaven
La La Love You
Hey
Winterlong
Cecilia Ann
Velouria
Allison
Ana
Dig for Fire
The Happening
Havalina
Evil Hearted You
Trompe Le Monde
Alec Eiffel
Palace of the Brine
Letter to Memphis
Motorway to Roswell
The Navajo Know

(80:36)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

I *hug* you for the thought, Spencer! Off to compile my list....

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure if this adds up to 80 minutes, but mine would probably go something like this:

Caribou
The Holiday Song
Nimrod's Son
Bone Machine
Something Against You
Broken Face
Gigantic
River Euphrates
Where is My Mind?
Debaser
Here Comes Your Man
Monkey Gone To Heaven
Mr. Grieves
No. 13 Baby
Gouge Away
Velouria
Dig for Fire
Trompe Le Monde
Planet of Sound
Alec Eiffel
The Sad Punk
U-Mass
Letter to Memphis

(It's been a while since I've heard Bossanova, so I may be forgetting some other tracks I like from that.)

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

it's funny, loved them in the early 90s.
now they sound badly dated, maybe as a result of others ripping em off since?
i don't know, they sound very much like kid's music now, with no gravity or riddle to them. which is probably what they always were, but my tastes have changed i guess.
to me, now, something like 'monkey gone to heaven' sounds like slower sum 41. and that's not good.
i'm leaning towards 'dud'.

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

Paul, they haven't dated at all for me...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Spencer's wins for having "The Navajo Know" on it.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

it's a great closer!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

and sorta their "last" song too...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, if that's all it takes, I'll add it to mine too. I like the song, just wasn't sure if I was up to 80 minutes yet!

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

if they had stopped at "i been tired" i'd still probably consider them a classic (as long as i ever heard of them of course)

Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

no "d = r x t" but spencer makes up for it for the (hopefully) seamless transition of "palace of the brine"/"letter to memphis" which always knocked me out.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

paulhw just summed it up exactly for me..

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

No love for "Dead"?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

Good point, Dan! Oversight on my part - I would have included that one too.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

Pixies are the best and most important band of my life, so, CLASSIC of course.
I'll argue Surfer Rosa and Doolittle as two of the best rock albums ever. "Hey" might be the best song ever.

Shaun (shaun), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

I used to play "Surfer Rosa" and "Doolittle" endlessly - the Pixies were just my absolute favourite band at that time. I didn't think "Bossanova" was as good and was disappointed by "Trompe le Monde". I don't listen to them an awful lot any more, but that doesn't mean i think any less of their music. For me, they were and always will be undisputably CLASSIC.

Neil FC (Neil FC), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

yes gygax, the mix is seamless of course! 2 second gaps suck!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

No love for Levitate Me?

ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

I really hate this band whose lead singer what'shisname has one fuck of an annoying voice.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

which band is that?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

pixies may be in the category "stuff i once listened to a lot but wouldn't feel the need to put on anymore". but i'm glad i did listen to them a lot at one point. classic, obv.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

My actual Pixies mix CD, which is beaten up from the car and titled "Killer Pixies":

1. Debaser
2. Break My Body
3. Gigantic
4. River Euphrates
5. Where Is My Mind?
6. I've Been Tired
7. Nimrod's Son
8. Brick Is Red
9. La La Love You
10. Hey!
11. Ana
12. U-Mass
13. Subbacultcha
14. Monkey Gone to Heaven
15. Here Comes Your Man
16. Wave of Mutilation (UK surf)
17. Dig for Fire
18. Head-On
19. Alec Eiffel
20. Bird Dream of the Olympus Mons
21. Vamos (Surefer Rosa version)
22. Gouge Away
23. Velouria
24. Is She Weird?
25. Planet of Sound
26. The Navajo Know
27. Havalina

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

Classic

Cacaman Flores, Friday, 7 November 2003 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, classic, classic, classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 06:27 (twenty years ago) link

"Nadine" off of Show Me Your Tears is classic. Is the rest of the album worth the price of a CD?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 06:52 (twenty years ago) link

still hate em, still feel the need to tell people this occasionally

outlawed thermal & electrical weapons (doorag), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 07:11 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
This is a band that truly makes aggression and ranting the fun-loving hijinx they are. Very much a compliment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

Who on ILE is going to Coachella? I'm going, transcontinental.

Aaron A., Friday, 19 March 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

Don't hate 'em as much as I used to. Neither classic nor dud. They got some really good songs ("Here Comes Your Man"! "Head On"! "Bone Machine"! the "You Fuckin' Die!" bit!) and some absolutely UNLISTENABLE ones ("Something Against You"! "U-Mass"! "Vamos"! "Crackity Jones"!)

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:40 (twenty years ago) link

"Something Against You"!

But it's so fun! Best lyrics ever!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago) link

"U-Mass" is as far as I know the ONLY good song about university. Perceptive and insightful lyrics, too.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

WTF! You bastard! Vamos and Crackity Jones rule! Especially when the lines: 30 miles by 100 miles by stinking island, make so much goddamn sense!, well, at least in my case.

Cacaman Flores, Friday, 19 March 2004 05:57 (twenty years ago) link

"U-Mass" unlistenable? Have your brain checked please.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 March 2004 06:02 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
DUD.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

wrong.

although this might be. maybe not though.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Overrated. Tired of reading smug "expertise"-justifying historical revisionism like this Pitchfork bullshit

"Frank Black has earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants, and he unfortunately seems to know it. The man who brought you the Pixies and, by extension, the alternative rock boom of the early 90s. . . ."

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/b/black_frank/honeycomb.shtml

That's right, The Pixies brought us the alternative rock boom of the early 90s. Forget REM, Dinosaur Jr., Replacements, Husker Du, Galaxie 500, Meat Puppets, Butthole Surfers, Flaming Lips, Mission of Burma, etc. Bow down before The Pixies.

Doolittle's alright, but could a band possibly be more overrated?

blue paul, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Virtually impossible to overrate. The Pixies were way better than 99% of alternative rock in the 90s.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

WRONG! I'd take the fuckin' Stone Temple Pilots over the Pixies ANYDAY.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

take STP, please

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Whoa!

**** You kyle you kyke.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 10 April 2006 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

did spencer ever bring one of his 'c80 portable _______ go!' comps in under the 80-minute barrier??

haitch (haitch), Monday, 10 April 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Thwok shows that a whole album of Deal songs backed by the Pixies blokes could have been great, but Bam / Ain’t is a great imaginary A-side / B-side commemoration of their whole reunion. She was right to quit rather than risk blowing their legacy; whatever the name has done since, it’s fine to think of as a different band.

bae (sic), Sunday, 10 March 2024 09:29 (one month ago) link


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