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Bauhaus were on the best post-punk bands around.

As much as I love this typo, I really meant to say: Bauhaus were one of the best post-punk bands around.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheh, yes'm. That's the reason why I tried to emphasize their abilities straight up in my AMG reviews instead of saying something like "Here the legendary goth bands does gothy things that are goth, even when it seems like they are not goth though they are cause none are more goth than these goths." ;-)

I'll be interested to read Simon R.'s take in the post-punk book. Keep in mind that many writers flat out HATED Bauhaus -- not all, mind you, there were defenders like Alan Moore (yes, that Alan Moore -- a member of the Sinister Ducks, a collaborator with David J elsewhere -- to the point where J. released a V for Vendetta single in 1984 or so -- Moore freaks will recall there's a part in the story where the titular figure is playing a song called "This Viscious Cabaret" at a piano, that's an actual song David and Alan cowrote and David released) and Helen Fitzgerald. I've got a great unofficial collection of many press articles that complements Beneath the Mask, and it's interesting reading both the praise and condemnation from the time itself, without the burden of 'goth' as such, though intriguingly it was brought up very early by some writers, so the tag was already starting to coalesce.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, the version of "Dark Entires" at that show...goddamn. Fun version of Iggy's "Passenger" too!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dark ENTRIES" I should say. I like the idea of dark entires, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Man I need to see that show. I missed Bauhaus when they played the Fillmore in San Francisco with that last reunion tour. Never have seen Peter but seen Love and Rockets about ten times with the Finder show in Long Beach being the most memorable.

Problem is I don’t know if I will still be in So Cal or San Francisco by the time this show happens.

np: Tones On Tail – Night Music

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Ironically, though I absolutely ADORED Love and Rockets, I missed their 1989 tour dates when I first really got into them (and had therefore missed the approximately eight million LA shows they had played before then, often with Jane's Addiction as noted well above), then they didn't perform live again for years. I only finally saw them literally at their last show ever! But it was a good way to bow out, and to their credit they did so mostly playing new material.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait I did see Peter Murphy at the Wiltern Theatre in 1990, forgot about that. That Love and Rockets show at Fenders was Dec. 20, 1985 while I was a very young pup. I have seen too many shows, thank God for ticket stubs.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, do I EVER love the Phantom of the Paradise samples in "Party of the First Part."

"WHO ARE YOU?"

"My CARD...pretty lady!"

--

"But I am, I AM a singer!"

"Nooooo FOOLING?"

Wait I did see Peter Murphy at the Wiltern Theatre in 1990, forgot about that.

Which night? He played three nights -- Exene opened one, Thin White Rope another, and the one I attended was with Human Drama. Much as I love HD and Johnny Indovina in retrospect I would have preferred to see TWR.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah thats right I saw Janes' at least twice open for them and the Wiltern show in May of 1988 was a blast.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Which night?...nd the one I attended was with Human Drama.

Yeah that was it, I saw HD a bunch around that time.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Gee Ned we must be about the same age and probably saw a bunch of the same show in and around Los Angeles.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh. I was in the far back of the balcony, looking down on Peter's blonde head.

The third radio session of the five on the disc is probably the best because it's them just going nuts with whatever -- "The Three Shadows Part 2" is much better than the record version, while "Party..." and "Departure" weren't rerecorded when they were used as B-sides, they stuck with this take. Daniel's going nuts with some of the guitar on "Departure," there's that contrast between David's drollery and Peter's archness, all the whispering and hissing and of course...

"INTO THE HILLLLS THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNN!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Born in 1971, attended UCLA from 1988-1992. Saw quite a few shows!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm right, I moved to San Francisco in 1995 and came back to So Cal in 2003. I think I'm going back to San Francisco though, we will see.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

god what a pathetic group. I don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE for brits to get rhtythm and swing correct -- obviously Ward/Butler, Kerslake/Thain, Shirley/Ridley and so forth show that it COULD be done -- but this garbage is horrid. What kind of horrific anglophile spends a hard-won saturday listening to this garbage??

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

did your favorite sports team lose again, stormy?

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I ask because you've used that excuse for dickish comments on ILM before. I mean, it's perfectly ok to think Bauhaus is garbage, but your anglophobic comments there went a bit over into the "being a dick" line, IMHO.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Stormy's still sad about certain things, Brian.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

oh I just think anglophilia in general is just endlessly laughable. it's just so fucking foreign to me. sure, use country-of-origin as aesthetic-criteria! no skin off my nose. if you have no idea how to parse out what players do with their instruments you tend to fall into the "wash over you" scheme of things. it's cool. give me 100 Led Zeppelin JOnes/Bonham tracks before I pick up one ridiculous Bauhaus piece of nonsense; but that's just me. long day on the ol internet, eh Ragget? one hell of a life you have. I did crack up a few minutes ago when I saw Ragget show up on a fuckin WORLD MUSIC thread for crissakes. Hahah Ragget "holding forth" on world music. hilarious. back to the Cure COMPANT CISC recordings thrad w. u raget

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy this live version of "Double Dare" from Gotham is good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually I did have a nice day today just hanging around the apartment doing not much! Last weekend I was barely in it being as I was out and about so today was relaxing. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

never mind.. it's lets-get-drunk-and-be-belligerent-online night here.. forgot.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I’m really starting to like the quirkiness of this board. My home has been a board named CMJ, which is now Obner, and I still love them, but I like how BIG things, are around here.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, well, you know what -- I don't honestly give a shit about any of this stuff. To be honest, I just like poking fun at Ned. What can I say, I used to poke fun at my little brother all the time when we were growing up, too. But the SALIENT POINT is that I simply came on this thread and registered a DUD response! and then Ned and Brian teamed-up with the disses! So, in all absolute straight-faced seriousness, how cum my couple-sentence Bauhaus-dis brings out the anglogphile police, but I am supposed to ignore Ned's random negativity elsewhere, on the multiple ILM thread about artists he dislikes? whatever.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

you didn't just register a dud response. you insulted "brits". that's the issue (with me at least), but if you want to pretend you're being ganged up on, go ahead and delude yourself. whatever.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

..and you obviously have a bad time relieving pointless grudges, too.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

no way, DB! I am a very peaceful guy! do I havce grudeges?? if so, I can't remember. so they are forgiven. I suppose the ilm community may have an ill-informed view of me. Ah well, self-imposed, i suppose. Bottom line is, I am a peaceful guy. Ned can just bug the crap out of me with his bad taste, that's all. Not sure why it always tends becomes this big issue when I respond in kind. Becuz again, I love almost ALL music, swear to god. Interesting, tho, how defensive Raggett gets when HE disses artists. but then, I like everyone tho. except Elvis Costello. Anyway, go White Sox!!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Not sure why it always tends becomes this big issue when I respond in kind

Uh, because you always act like this big thing how you're teaching me some sort of lesson and for all the nervous denials seem weirdly obsessed when in contrast I don't think about you at all, except in moments like this?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah well, Raggett, I don't think about you either except when when you show up on threads about actual artists with talent! I mean, if you would stick your anglophile perpetual-high-school stiff-rhythm stuff, we'd probably co-exist fantastically! I jsut think you seem to have a self-obligation to show up on some threads where you are out of your element and it just sort of negatively impacts ILM for me. I mean, I know this board emerged out of a kind of Brit type thing --- the type of thing where people would give the likes of "the Prodigy" or whatever worthless garbage the likes of day -- Doesn't really register with me, sorry.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

you know, Calum is at least a more interesting troll... oops, sorry, that's me being "anglophilic" again.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Getting back on track, some pretty great photos from Coachella and the warm-up show at the Glass House here. Peter's back to blonde, wearing the hair longer, and has a slight mustache/goatee which is actually quite fetching. Nice stage wear too!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Huh. You go away, eat some dinner & clean up the house a bit and come back to all kinds of fun weirdness. Hi Stormy. Nice to see that you live up to your name :)

Cool Coachella pics. Peter's pants almost deserve a place on Friday's 'best pants in rock' thread. Those are some big pants.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2005 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

so, unlikely that this peter murphy tour will actually turn out to be a bauhaus tour?

how is the new album, Ned? I gather it's leagues away from Dusk and more a return to Deep territory.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 8 May 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

my favourite bauhaus track is crowds - which has no rhythm section at all. and is nasty. very nasty. and sad. mainly - musically - i sympathise with stormy here. but he shouldn't post drunk. and i like ned. and bauhaus generally suck. and i don't think ned's brit love is blind.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 8 May 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

so, unlikely that this peter murphy tour will actually turn out to be a bauhaus tour?

Extremely and totally. But go anyway.

how is the new album, Ned? I gather it's leagues away from Dusk and more a return to Deep territory.

It's very much not Dusk part two, no -- if anything it strikes me more as an extension of the poppier/gentler side of Cascade, not surprising since Paul Statham, his longest serving cowriter, is back on a number of songs. "Idle Flow," the opener, is one of his best songs ever when it hits the chorus, and more than once throughout the album that same thing happens -- enjoyable, low key verse but then a *great* dramatic chorus that lifts the whole performance. Unshattered in general is a nice mix of ideas and slightly familiar tropes but with a good bright edge to it -- "Kiss Myself" is almost power-pop, with harmonica even! Interesting mix of performers -- Steven Perkins plays drums, his Porno For Pyros sidekick Peter di Stefano adds guitar. It's possibly his easiest, calmest album so far, where the darker moments are suggested rather than put front and center.

It'll be interesting to see what the set is like, blending that with all the solo choices he can draw on, but especially the Dusk material.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

It's possibly his easiest, calmest album so far, where the darker moments are suggested rather than put front and center.

this all sounds like code for "it sucks"! But I'm going to give it a listen anyway.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheheh. :-) Try "Idle Flow" and "Face the Moon" as tasters -- if you like those, you're fine for the album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Or if you're fretting about it being too cheery or something, "Emergency Unit."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Or "Thelma Sings to Little Nell." Look JUST GET THE ALBUM. There. ;-) (I'm listening to it now.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been years since I listened but I actually remember Bauhaus having a decent sense of rhythm and lock, as the early stuff goes anyway. They were just a tight heavy rock band. Not exactly ambient wash!

The solo Murphy stuff sounds interesting. I'll try to check some out.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

meanwhile, stormy is a soopersecret love&rockets fan! sorry, stormy old pal, i'm outing you:

SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BAUHAUS

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh. I had seen him mentioning L&R elsewhere.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
did they do that song about the goth restaurant?

s1ocki, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Er, details?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"dark entrées"

s1ocki, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I love you.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

check my squeeze thread revival for another hilarious setup!

s1ocki, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

you might want to get to the restaurant early, to avoid the "Crowds"

latebloomer, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

the entrées are great but not so much with the desserts; you could get bored in the flan fields.

s1ocki, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

I have a bizarro CD version of "The Sky's Gone Out." It has a blank white cover with a small logo and title, and the tracklisting is wrong. "Kick in the Eye" and "Earwax" (which is unlisted) are tracks 6 and 7, and "Lagartija Nick" and "Ziggy Stardust" are at the end. Anyone know the origin of this confabulation?

mayhaps, Thursday, 6 September 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks Ned. Very interesting.

i think I'd go for the same order as Bee OK.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 March 2024 10:54 (one month ago) link


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