Inarguably, but I don't feel said story was presented in a necessarily sincere manner in "Tunic." I'm not suggesting that Kim Gordon was intentioally MOCKING Karen Carpenter, but to address this issue so blithely ("you look so underfed") and then augment the story with the most tired cliché in the book (that Karen Carpenter is in heaven and has made friends with fellow dead rock stars and formed a band) is beyond trite. That I find it irritatingly distasteful has less to do with any reverance for the Carpenters and more to do with my disgust at Sonic Youth's pretentiousness.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Goo is uneven, and parts seem forced. "Hey, we need a noise track! We're Sonic Youth, dammit!" (imagined origin of "Scooter + Jinx"). "Hey, we need a song where we scream and freak out! We're Sonic Youth, dammit!" (imagined origin of "Mildred Pierce"). Despite the throwaways, I think it turned out well. I remember thinking when it came out that it was all over for them - "Kool Thing" being the first single (hated it at first, can tolerate it now) and signing to Geffen. No, not quite...that would have to wait until Dirty.
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 18 November 2002 17:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
''[Kim] dreaming, dreaming of a girl like me hey what are you waiting for - feeding, feeding me I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day but I look in the mirror - I'm bigger in every way
she said: you aren't never going anywhere you aren't never going anywhere I ain't never going anywhere I ain't never going anywhere
I'm in heaven now - I can see you Richard goodbye Hollywood, goodbye downey - hello Janis hello Dennis, Elvis - and all my brand new friends I'm so glad you're all here with me, until the very end
dreaming, dreaming of how it's supposed to be but now this tunic's spinning - around my arms and knees I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day but when I open my mouth to sing - I'm bigger in every way
hey mom! look I'm up here - I finally made it I'm playing the drums again too don't be sad - the band doesn't sound half bad and I remember mom, what you said you said honey - you look so under-fed
[background voices singing various covers]
[Kim] another green salad, another ice tea there's a tunic in the closet waiting just for me I feel like I'm disappearing - getting smaller every day but I look in your eyes - and I'm bigger in every way
goodbye Richard - gotta go now I'm finally on my own - but Dan's got a gig keep the love lights glowing - little girl's got the blues I can still hear momma say: "honey don't let it go to your head"''
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
oh yeah, love "Tunic"... I feel there's more tribute than piss-take going on, too...
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 18 November 2002 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
experimental jet set (aside from "bull in the heather") is so much more lamer than daydream nation.
― gygax!, Monday, 18 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ok so you prob haven't got it but the main quibble that ppl have with it is that the production doesn't do the riffs any favours. It sounds fine to me though i haven't heard it all the way through for a long while (and only in sections).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not lame: Teenage Riot, The Sprawl, Eric's Trip, Total Trash, Hey Joni, Candle, Trilogy (Pts. 1-3)
Since that makes up more than half of the album, I'd have to disagree.
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
i think my favourite sy album is dirty. i didn't realize how good it was initially (it was my first sy album) though i always loved it. but when i listened to murray street which is a very good effort next to dirty dirty happened to be so much more varied so much more dynamic so much more lively i couldn't believe it.
goo is a very fine record and i don't really get what the other alex is on about. the karen carpenter song isn't pure genius lyricwise but which sy song is? sy is not really about lyrics. they take as lyrics whatever they can get. sometimes it turns out to be funny sometimes it turns out rubbish. i couldn't care less.
and karen carpenter's voice is probably the most beautiful voice i have ever heard.
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Cop-out argument.
"sy is not really about lyrics."
Strictlly your opinion.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
alex- ''and then augment the story with the most tired cliché in the book (that Karen Carpenter is in heaven and has made friends with fellow dead rock stars and formed a band) is beyond trite.''
no alex its a tribute: its a lovely image that's being described (Ok so part opf my brain tells me its a tad corny but still). I don't think they treat KC badly.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Certainly. And, as before, I'm right and you're wrong. Hahahahaha
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 18 November 2002 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
I saw it in the theater before it got withdrawn! Am I cool or old?
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
Confusion is Sex (1983) YESBad Moon Rising (1985) YESEvol (1986) YESSister (1986) YESMaster=Dik (1987) YESDaydream Nation (1988) YESGoo (1990) YESDirty (1992) YES Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star (1994) NOMade in USA (1995) NOScreaming Fields of Sonic Love (1995) YESWashing Machine (1995) NOSilver Session (For Jason Knuth) (1998) NOA Thousand Leaves (1998) NOGoodbye 20th Century (1999) YESNYC Ghosts & Flowers (2000) NOMurray Street (2002) YES
the first NO = i lost my job at the wire and wz v.poor and trying to write my book
On a brief listen i like GOO better than DIRTY and both of them way better than DDN and Sistah bettah still and Murray Street best of all. but y'know....
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
is that an official rec?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 29 May 2005 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Julio Times 3, Sunday, 29 May 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 29 May 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 29 May 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Goo is my second favorite SY album after Sister.. The first six tracks or so are incredible. It get a little less interesting towards the end.
Can you listen to "Tunic (Song for Karen)" without wincing?
Yes! Her delivery is perfect! She does sound a little like Will Ferrel doing Janet Reno, but "Don't be saaahd / The band doesn't sound half baad."
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
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― jb, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.xsilence.net/news-239.htm#239
CD 101 Dirty Boots02 Tunic (Song for Karen)03 Mary-Christ04 Kool Thing05 Mote06 My Friend Goo07 Disappearer08 Mildred Pierce09 Cinderella's Big Score10 Scooter and Jinx11 Titanium Expose12 Lee #213 That's All I Know (Right Now)14 The Bedroom15 Dr. Benway's House16 Tuff Boyz
CD 201 Tunic02 Number One (Disappearer)03 Titanium Expose04 Dirty Boots05 Corky (Cinderella's Big Score)06 My Friend Goo07 Bookstore (Mote)08 Animals (Mary-Christ)09 DV 2 (Kool Thing)10 Blowjob (Mildred Pierce)11 Lee #212 I Know There's an Answer13 Can Song14 Isaac15 Goo Interview Flexi
― jb, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link
"What do you do when your mom is a skinhead..."
"YOU FUCK HER!"
"...you write a song about her."
Possibly the greatest conversation ever held at a UCI theater or venue.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Something about "Mildred Pierce" is like a perfectly tuned engine to me (and weirdly it's their only song in standard tuning). I think "Disappearer" is my overall favourite, followed closely by "Tunic".
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 24 July 2022 02:01 (one year ago) link