Loveless: Classic or Not That Classic

i was listening to this last night. i like that weird instrumental track. also listening on headphones reveals that the lyrics to many of the songs actually contain their titles!! who knew??

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i can't think of one album or even one genre that serves as a kind of organizing principle for my tastes.

Good! Then you might be surprised to find you are not alone.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone think that UNWOUND sounds like Loveless in some points on the last album, texturewise?!? Am I on crack?

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

unwound bettered it

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

A harsher edge in general, Unwound, but I think there's a definite thrill of sound-qua-sound that they had which has parallels. It's been a while since I've heard Leaves Turn, might have to give it another listen. Bettered? Great band, but I will not go that far -- especially on the basis of live performances.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand why people have such trouble deciphering the lyrics to Loveless!!! I mean yeah not all of it's intelligible but certain phrases certainly jump out, yes?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

well there's that one song that's almost poppy and where the lyrics are foregrounded in a way they aren't on the other tracks. what is the name of that one?

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sometimes," I'm guessing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

My guess is "Blown a Wish".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry to be vague, i just don't have the record w/me right now

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm...did it have one guitar part and a high synth line plus vocals?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

uh i think it has the line "...could not love me now..."

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

today will be the day i transfer this to ipod and listen to it on headphones for the first time in years

― artiste (artiste), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, that's "Sometimes"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i can remember stealing this CD during my third year of university. after hearing a track on our local campus station, i decided i needed a copy but the CD was only seemed available as an overpriced import. i was working at a record store at the time, and while we were doing inventory (comparing what we should have to what we actually had), i noticed the store had no record of its one copy of the album. so i took it.
fuckers never paid me enough anyway.

― Bruce S. Urquhart (BanjoMania), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember listening once to Loveless and loving it. When I finally bought it a few years later I didn't like it as much becaus it reminded my to The Smashing Pumpkins (who I hate).

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

And well it should remind you (Mr. Corgan has been most open about admitting where he got a lot of the sound from).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually even the vocals sound the same. I actually thought it was B. Corgan singing in one of the songs.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh. Corgan in a very quiet mood, perhaps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

gish came out in the us in may 91, loveless in november. so how could loveless have influenced the smashing pumpkins debut (their most mbv-like album)? which is the only pumpkins album to keep, imho (mellon collie has its moments but is way too long). and which i found as impressive as loveless when it came out. probably even more mesmerising on headphones.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, MBV certainly had similar records prior to 'Loveless' of course. I actually played the 'Soon' video for my ex-gf (who had never heard MBV) and she said "interesting, I hope you don't mind me saying that it sounds like Garbage."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

*rimshot*

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Garbage have acknowledged the debt as well.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 07:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Not as good as Isn't Anything. Which wasn't as good (as GREAT) as the '88 EP on Mercury.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling "Isn't Anything"'s time is coming

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've had "Loveless" since 1992. It's been one of my favorite CDs since I got it. I just got Isn't Anything a few months ago. I doubt I'll ever be into it like I am into Loveless, but I'll try. Still haven't heard any of the EPs.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i love loveless

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's tuneless fuzzy shoegazer shit.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

your mommy didn't give you enough attention:-P

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

GOTCHA!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Although really I was hoping for much more indignant and belligerant incredulity and offensiveness than a sticky-out-tongue emoticon. :oþ

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I am actually very fond of their earlier stuff as well, I heard it before "Isnt Anything" came out. Stuff like "Paint a Rainbow" and "Moonlight". Cutesy.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 2 September 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone actually heard the '85 debut This Is Your Bloody Valentine?
AMG only gave it 2 stars and called it an "unfocused and derivative collection of post-punk goth rock" but I still wanna hear this thing.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link

This Is Your Bloody Valentine = rubbish. Seriously, it's not worth the bother.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha I'm listening to This Is Your Bloody Valentine right now (thanks to the help of a kind ILXor who sent me links to d/l). The first song kinda sounds like the Cramps or Bauhaus. Not that bad.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Not That Classic! Loveless really doesn't seem to be aging all that well.

Meanwhile, things like the The New Record by... and Sunday Sundae Smile EPs are some 378 times better than is widely ackowledged (ie. what Trayce said!), but that debut is pretty messy.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 3 September 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Only Shallow

Sleep like a pillow no one there
Where she won't care anywhere
Soft as a pillow touch her there
Where she won't dare somewhere

Sleep like a novel subject and
Think that you grew stronger there
Speak your troubles she's not scared
Soft like there's silk everywhere

Sleep is a pillow come somewhere
Where she won't dare anywhere
Look in the mirror she's not there
Where she won't care somewhere

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sleep like a novel subject"

?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Loomer

Tiptoe down to the lonely places
Where you going now don't turn around
Little girls in their party dresses
Didn't like anything there

Pretty boys with their sunshine faces
Carrying their heads down
Tiptoe down to the lonely places
Where you going now don't turn around

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Carrying their heads down"

?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

To Here Knows When

Kiss your fear
Your red button falls from my mouth
Slip your dress over your head
It's been so long

Move on top
Because that way you touch her too
Turn your head come back again
To here knows when

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"Your red button falls from my mouth"

?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometimes

Close my eyes
Feel me high
I don't know
But you could not love me now
You'll know
And I feel down to the ground
Over there
And I want to like tomorrow
You can hide
Oh my love, but where to?

Turn my head
Into sound
I don't know
But I lay down on the ground
You will find
And halt and hurt to love
Never cared
And the world turned hearts to love
You will see
Oh darling, on the way I do

You will wait
See me go
I don't care
When your head turned foreigner
You will wait
And I turn my eyes around
Overhead
And I hold you next view
Overhead
To my eyes, on the way I see

Close my eyes
Feel me high
I don't know
But you could not love me now
You'll know
And I feel down to
Over there
And I want to love to view
You can hide
Oh my love, but where to?
You can see or cannot on the way I do

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"When your head turned foreigner"

?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"HEAD GAMES!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"When your head turned foreigner"

Kevin Shields wants to know what love is!

― Shady Loch Lenin (haitch), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i read something once that MBV refused point-blank to detail their lyrics and american tv insisted on knowing them some some poor creation secretary had to decipher them as best she could.

dug out TIYBV and listened to it for probably the third time ever. and possibly the last. but i also dug out E&W and fell in love with it again.

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Insomniac/gloomy student shoegazer type/clit/don't know you anymore type shit

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Not That Classic! Loveless really doesn't seem to be aging all that well.

That is throwaway nonsense.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 September 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hahahahaha I'm listening to This Is Your Bloody Valentine right now (thanks to the help of a kind ILXor who sent me links to d/l). The first song kinda sounds like the Cramps or Bauhaus. Not that bad.
-- AaronHz (aaronh...), September 3rd, 2004."

in a recent interview, the interviewer referred to it as something like 'their wannabe birthday party' record and kevin shields seemed to agree w/ that. it was the interview on buddyhead.com. i can hear the cramps in it, also. they had a different singer named dave conway back then...have to say that i'm not a big fan of his vocal style.

― 6335, Friday, 3 September 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Margueritas not included.... Oh wait! (on the right)

― Mark G, Saturday, 6 November 2021 10:27 (two years ago) link