On The Homeless

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I'll bet it makes a great Kings Cup.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

Living in Detroit panhandling or "hustling" is ubiquitous. When I was young, I'd give money to panhandlers pretty often, but here there are too many, I'd be giving out like $50 a day in change if I gave 50 cents to everyone who asked. Usually I say no, sometimes if the person is particularly pathetic I'll give up a little change or a beer if I'm getting beer (which is usually welcomed far more eagerly than change).

If people are too persistent, I degenerate quickly from "no" to "F*ck Off". I realize the homeless are people too and often not treated with dignity, but I just don't care anymore. To all the non-aggressive homeless out there, too bad there are so many assholes that ruin it for you.

webcrack (music=crack), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

I never say "sorry" anymore, only "no" because at Berkeley once I said sorry to some panhandler and he comes back with "Don't be sorry" in the most irritating snide tone ever. I wanted to strangle him.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

since i smoke, i ALWAYS get hustled.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

I used to say sorry because it just came naturally, but when I thought about it, I wasn't all that sorry. Nope is usually my reply. I try not to use that too much though since it's not true either as I usually have change. But it sounds less mean than "Yes I do have change but I'm keeping it all for myself," which is the truth.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

i just lie and say 'no change mate' most of the time

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

since i smoke, i ALWAYS get hustled.

That's worse than money. The money I can see because that's like the gateway to everything else ... but the cigarettes. Ugh. I usually will give out like 1 a day to a random person if I'm feeling generous but it's likefuck, cigarettes cost a lot of money, you know? Because you see me smoking are we like friends or something? I saw you eating a sandwich but didn't ask you for a bite. I also don't say sorry in this situation either, but rather "no thanks" and is in "no thanks I don't want to pay for your smoking addiction dick."

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

The worst are indie kids though. It's like Daddy's money doesn't stretch far enough past the scarves and hair gel for cigarettes.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone on here ever panhandled? I had to beg for emergency bus chnage once but only once. Also have had to hang around at gas stations asking for rides which is much more effective than hitching. Gives a different perspective. So, I often give food or rides to people who ask but not money. (I'm always walking around with a meal worth of food in my backpack- never know when you will need it while doing long walk, bike and bus trips.) Last guy I met a week ago, while I was filling my new-old van with dumpster-dived books- gave him a ride and a grocery bag worth of expired but good DD'ed candy which he loved and thought it was cool where it came from.

sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

I have a soft-spot for rambling homeless drunks, but usually I can only take about 3-5 minutes of their stank-breathed mumblings; unfortunately by this point they've decided they're your new best friend and suddenly there's no escaping them. However, once in Somerset, KY (a dry town) I was accosted by a homeless man chugging Listerine. I listened to him ramble for like hours. It was so easy, he had such wonderful breath! If only all drunks smelled so nice...

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

i repeat -- 3 years of newark, as well as several more years of NYC, and having been (a) spat on; (b) charged; (c) accused of having sexual intercourse with my mother; (d) accused of racism; (e) threatened with physical violence; for not giving homeless people cigarettes and/or money -- my compassion is LONG gone, to the point where i cheer every time i hear about how giuliani got rid of the squeegee men.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

I am thinking of Asking various Questions with one-word -ing verbs just so the thread connections people can have a field day

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

lemme clarify: the homeless DO need help, and i would READILY support any legislation that would HELP them -- give them food, shelter, treat them for substance abuse or mental illness, etc., and does so HUMANELY. and i am repulsed when the cops treat the homeless brutally (though in the absence of humane treatment, that's the too-easy fallback).

OTOH, i have rights too. and i DON'T like being threatened or hustled by folks.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Tiajuana breaks my fucking heart. Last time there an Indian girl of about four tried to sell me Chiclets - she was obviously new and was being coached by an older sister. I gave her almost a dollar in change which was immediately knocked out of her hands by a bunch of streetwise toddler urchins... she just looked up at me scared and amazed as they dove for the change.

Ah, the anguish...

andy, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

good god. i am flying out to sf on saturday so i will bear this information in mind. plan to spend obscene amounts of money at amoeba records and come out with loads of bags just to make them annoyed with regard to my considerable disposable income. i have a gun licence so hopefully i will not have to pick off the homeless should they have the insolence to traverse my path.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

Man...

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

G's worse than me. you should have seen her talking to the policemen on duty on the night david blaine came down about the most efficacious ways of gunning down the irritating kids making a nuisance of themselves, and they discussed techniques and were very regretful that they couldn't just be shot and have done with it.

sometimes i do worry about her.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

What's that sign in Taxi Drive - I've got to get oranbized?

O.k.

Someone asks you for change. You say no. You forget about it. Why harbour all the rage? Is it because you have middle-class guilt or something?

The only time I gave a large sum away was when I did ectasy, MDMA an coke at a party when I was 17. I was walking through the *insert name of big city* at five in the morning. A homeless dude asked me for money. I gave him £50.00. He kissed my hand. I felt his teeth mush against my skin. I was a bit. Oh. Traumatised. Like WTF? Do you think you have POWER because you can gift someone with a bit of cash? Not accusing just a'wonderin'...

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

no, when the homeless ask me for money i respond to them thusly: "when i was your age, lad, i was taught never to speak until i was spoken to. i was about to give you some money, but your cheek has dissuaded me. kindly vacate the premises forthwith lest you end up knees knocking a-trembly before the desk sergeant."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

Marcello - were you in the movie SECRETARY? Ha ha.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

i did try to be.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Thursday, 5 February 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

I don't give money to the homeless unless I'm buying the Big Issue, but I stopped doing that when they downsized their editorial and my old editor Matthew Collin was pretty much forced out of his job. It's too much to explain to the vendors, though.

The Covent Garden end of Shaftesbury Avenue is full of drunkies and junkies; there's a bit of a needle park behind the cinema. People constantly beg off passers-by and once this really sketchy girl got Ed to give her three pounds 'to get home' and then came into the bar where we were having drinks and actually canvassed him again.

I'm not happy when I see women using their kids as props during fundraising initiatives in tube stations or shoving a note about how shit things are in Bulgaria into the faces of commuters, but that's nothing on the legless vets that used to canvass on trains in NYC. When people ask me for change I'm likely to say 'sorry, I'm skint' whether or not it's the truth, and at least in London that seems to be a reasonable excuse. When I lived in NYC I got into the habit of leaving cheap restaurants with a 'doggy bag' and giving this to the first homeless person I saw.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

It's funny just how off the movie stereotype of the homeless as mystical voices of wisdom really is. Like, has anyone ever got any good advice from them?

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

usually when they're played by morgan freeman or similar.

i mean, if they're supposed to be so wise then how come they ended up HOMELESS??

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

They were just too pure for the working world, man

sym (shmuel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

Why harbour all the rage? Is it because you have middle-class guilt or something?

Jimmy, I think it depends on how often you are asked for money and the manner in which you are asked. Where I live, you cannot avoid being hit up around 10-15 times every day, with some of the panhandlers wheedling and some subtly menacing. Also, it's not so simple as saying "no" and moving on; frequently, you will be followed and harassed or harangued. In fact, the other day I did give a guy some change just because it was below zero outside and he proceeded to yell at me as I walked away because I wasn't sufficiently polite when I gave him the money. If it were a simple case of "can I have some change", "No", "all right then", I don't think this thread would even exist.

webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 5 February 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

marcello, good luck!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

webcrack 100% OTM.

this "you MUST have rage b/c of middle-class guilt" is the attitude of someone who lives in suburbs or north bumblefuck (where, like, they don't have homeless people and if any showed up the cops would beat the shit outta them).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 5 February 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, good luck, Marcello.

Everybody knows that Berkeley Amoeba is the best, anyway. Plus there is the guy that sells jokes just outside. He told me that they would "guarantee [me] pussy".

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

Ehhh ... I like the SF Amoeba more, myself. Berkeley Amoeba is too close to Rasputin.

dean! (deangulberry), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Oh what do you know?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

Stick to your Hollywood Amoeba, Angelenoroni.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

EAT MY FUGUE

dean! (deangulberry), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

If you have nothing to do at six in the morning, sleep.

elan, Thursday, 11 June 2009 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

lol the other day a dude asked me for 90p so i looked in my wallet and the lowest substantial denomination i had was a £5 note, so i was floundering when he said 'give me that and i'll give you £2 because i need £3 to eat' so i saw he already had just over £2 in his hand and stupidly didn't say 'ok give me everything you have and i'll give you this', i gave him the note and he slipped me 50p and i was all 'OI you said £2' and he said 'no i said £1!' and then gave me 50p more so i guess i got some money back off a beggar but i certainly didn't plan to give him £4, he must have thought it was his lucky day to have found mugglesworth himself on the pavement outside liverpool street station

anyway if i am less than generous with the homeless for a week or two this is why

your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

you broke the first rule of giving away money on the street

harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

you broke the only rule of giving away money on the street. Which is giving away money on the street.

Isambard Kingdom Buñuel (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

lol missed out a "not" there

Isambard Kingdom Buñuel (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

that isn't even in the top 5. rule 1 is don't take out your wallet duh

harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link

you saying i should keep 50p coins in a separate pocket and give one away if i'm feeling particularly generous

your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

No just don't give anything is what everyone's saying

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

including me

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

if you are someone who likes giving away money, yes. i mostly say no but if someone asks at a bus stop or something i can just go in my pocket. xpost

harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

once in a while is not that bad who cares

harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

it's just that the tipping thread brought this back to the forefront of my mind - maybe i should be harder about these folks - also i only give if i'm alone, in groups it's way easier to say no

your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

how is it hard to say no when you are alone?

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

if there is sorrow in their eyes and they are following you

your favorite toy dinosaur ruined my asshole (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's best not to reward followers imo. maybe you should have a blanket no giving money rule i guess

harbl, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, most of the homeless people I meet are stationary

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

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