A Thread about the film JFK

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what about something that's funny and exciting? like your beloved spaceballs!

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

death isn't funny mark ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 20 October 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

i rewatched Winter Kills last night and it is still quite bad

jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
this movie is hilarious! if you watch it like a comedy, the stuff gets funnier. like the incongruous bit during one of those crazy Cuban + sociopathic gays meetings, when tommy lee jones makes note of his own erection and says, "more champagne!"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i adore this movie and its absolute unbridled INSANITY. it's also brillantly done, in terms of editing technique and all that shit. the over-acting, complete lack of subtlety etc. brings it into a whole new level. i actually like kevin costner in this, i think he anchors the movie quite well despite his accent.

obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.

and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies)."

people like that shouldn't watch movies!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I get mad at historical innaccuracies in movies, but I get more mad at blatant bold-faced lying. This movie has both in spades, but I might still have been okay it if not for the fact that Costner and Spacek are so god-awfully unwatchable and that the whole film plays out without one iota of suspense.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite "inaccuracy" in a WW2 film is in The Longest Day, when Robert Mitchum leads the charge across the beach, just running across with his soldiers, pistol in hand, ducking the pesky gunfire from the lightly armed Germans.

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

favorite Costner line delivery in the movie: when he flings open the door and stands in the hallway shouting after Sissy Spacek, "Well so am I, goddammit!"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite: "he'd have about as much use for russians as a cat needs pajamas!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"that's like saying Touchdown here isn't very smart because he beat me only 2 games out of 5 at chess"

"oh go back to sleep, Jim"

"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

roffle!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"I didn't think much about it at the time. Just bullshit, y'know, everybody likes to make themselves out to be something more than they are. 'Specially in the homosexual underworld. But when they got him I got real scared. And that's when I got popped."

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"You don't know shit 'cause you've never been fucked in the ass!"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder if this is the macho Showgirls. (This assumes Road House is not macho, but I'm not really sure WHAT Road House is besides being genius.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

you know there's nothing more macho and man-sexy than a gold-paint covered Tommy Lee Jones being smacked across the face by a "foppish dandy"-attired Joe Pesci, while a stoned Kevin Bacon masturbates himself behind them.

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

All of a sudden Alexander finally makes sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

correction, this is the paranoid, batshit INSANE showgirls.

who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually Stone should have directed Hannibal. Now imagine how that would have turned out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

how about the bit where RFK gets shot on TV and Costner's so disturbed/turned on that he goes upstairs and weeps and fucks Sissy Spacek.

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

It's like that very special episode of Call to Glory, but without the fucking. (Why the hell do I remember these things?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"boss, the president's been shot...in Dallas, about five minutes ago"

"oh...no..."

***shot of sinister clock***

"h-how bad?"

"there's no woid yet, but they think it's in the he-ahd"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

this movie is SO AWESOME

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's not forget John "King Creole" Candy.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"So, who are we going to cast as the fascist Nixon-supporting gay hustler? I'm thinking Kevin Bacon."

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"you as crazy as your mama!"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"goes to show it's in the genes!"

"You're way out there, boss, taking a crap in the wind, and I for one am not going along on this ride!"

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/files/joe-stone.jpg

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.musicaos.it/cinecaos/febbraio/jfk_04.JPG

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

what's AWESOME is the director's commentary on the DVD release, where scenes play out and then Stone says, "well eventually we discovered that so and so was in fact not involved in this manner, someone else came forward and said such and such, but it was an interesting theory we had at the time" (which happens about twenty times during the course of the commentary)

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.jfk-online.com/100okeefe.jpg

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/history/hsty3080/3rdYr3080/frames/jfkfilm.jpg

i assume this poster was made for a country where Joe Pesci is more popular than Kevin Costner.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.motelmag.com/movies/images/jfk_candy.jpg

"Is this off the record Daddy-O? Good. In that case, let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that question you keep asking, if I give you the name of the big enchilada, you know ... then it's bon voyage Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, you dig? You're a mouse fighting a gorilla. Kennedy is dead as that crab meat. The government's still breathing and you wanna line up with a dead man?"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

That's some kinda new cancer - I'd say that's a "going out of business
cancer". You got the right ta-ta, but the wrong ho-ho. The government's gonna jump all over your head, Jimbo, and go "cock-a-doodledoo!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

more where that came from:

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the entire shooting script!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: Tommy Lee Jones' hair in JFK vs. Joe Pesci's hair in JFK

x-post YO!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

LIZ
I think you care more about John Kennedy than
your family! All day long the kids are asking,
"Where's Daddy?" What am I supposed to tell
your kids, Jim!

JIM
I don't know what to tell them. How 'bout the
truth - I'm doing my job to make sure they can
grow up in a country where justice won't be an
arcane, vanished idea they read about in history
books, like the dinosaurs or the lost continent
of Atlantis.

LIZ
That sounds dandy, but it doesn't replace a
father and a husband on Easter Day.

JIM
(angry, turns away)
It's going to get worse, honey.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/pesci.jpeg

Quote from Pesci about JFK: "[I was happy to see the Supporting Actor nomination go to Tommy Lee Jones.] When I see that I say, I helped. He worked with me and I helped him be good."

You know, I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes footage in some vault of the filming of the party scene (where Pesci helped Jones be good).

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i bet you its mysteriously "unaccounted for", just like kennedy's brain.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

JIM
They killed him, honey.

LIZ
(groggily)
Huh?

JIM
(strangled)
He won ... and they killed Robert Kennedy. They
shot him down.

LIZ
(realizing, with terror)
Oh no! No! I can't believe it. I can't
believe it. Both of them, both brothers, oh my
God!

She clings to him, horrified. He caresses her hair. They look in each
other's eyes.

LIZ (CONT'D)
You're right, it hasn't ended, has it?

He kisses her gently - They start to make love, numbed, needing each
other, needing their love in an increasingly terrifying world.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, that last part just killed my libido forever.

Here's a question, who should have been the Criswell figure for this film, reading out that stuff as a narrator?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You think your libido is dead? Here's the scene where Pesci (as Ferrie) helps Jones (as Shaw) be good:

We see the four men in drag, smiling for the flash camera, champagne
bottles in hand. Ferrie sniffs some poppers, then shoves a popper in
Shaw's face.

FERRIE
(to Shaw)
You're mine, Mary. Go get the fucking tools
out, bitch. Now! I want some ass.

Ferrie forces more poppers on Shaw. The camera movies to Shaw's
bedroom, where Ferrie scatters a drawer full of leather tools.

FERRIE (CONT'D)
(to Shaw)
Come here, bitch.
(Ferrie grabs Shaw by the hair)
You want this? The only way you get this is do
what I say.
(Ferrie whacks Shaw)
I'm the man. Don't ever forget it.
(Shaw begs and whines)
You want it? You want it?
(Ferrie spits on Shaw)
Fuck you and your rich friends. You're nothing
but a rich whore! You're my woman! Get the
cat!
(to young man)
Strip! Now, woman. I want to see skin.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Miccio, I want to see skin too. But not yours. *kills self*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

BILL: I found Clay Bertrand.

They all stop, look.

SUSIE: Who?

BILL: Grab your socks and pull ... Clay Bertrand is Clay Shaw ...

SUSIE(stunned): No! ... Shaw! Director of The Trade Mart? This is incredible.

NUMA: Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

Liz Garrison is the most shaken, as she pours a fresh pot of coffee.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

First post might be the best capsule review I've ever read.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Beverly is an underused resource in the film:

"Dallas was a slow town back then. You chewed toothpicks, played dominos, spit and dated policemen."

"He said, "Beverly, this is my friend Lee ..." and [INSERT LAUGH THAT SPIKES THE MIC LEVELS HERE] I didn't catch the other guy's name. He was a weird-looking guy with those funny little eyebrows."

"When I saw him tow weeks later on the television, I screamed, "Oh, my God - that's him! That's Jack's friend!"

"If they can kill the President, do you think they're gonna think twice about a two-bit showgirl like me?"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I picture Stone having a good laugh at the scenes where Garrison himself plays Earl Warren... then slapping everyone else and being all "ain't that a corker?"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX in a nutshell.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a Texas Live Oak, boss. It sheds its leaves the first week of March.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:32 (four months ago) link


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