It allows itself occasional flashy touches (like Bunk and McNulty's great "Fuck" scene, where the dialogue consists entirely of "Fuck" said with a dozen or more different inflections), but those come as sort of welcome bonuses -- easter eggs for dedicated viewers or something.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2005 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
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― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 February 2005 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Monday, 7 February 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 7 February 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Agreed. After I devoured the season one DVD set I picked up a stack of Pelecanos novels and fell in love with his work pretty much immediately. A Firing Offense, his first one, is pretty stiff, but King Suckerman and The Sweet Forever are genius -- lots of great music references and layered characters and observations about race. His work on The Wire is starting to inform his writing pretty obviously; I just finished an advance of his next book, Drama City, and it has a very Wire-y structure. There's less music stuff, but it's still good stuff. (Comes out in March.)
― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Monday, 7 February 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 7 February 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 7 February 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Monday, 7 February 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
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― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
but what makes the wire so great is that it never gauchely strikes out at the status quo (see: everything bad about michael moore); instead it accepts that it is reality and shows how people work within it: what they bend, what they break, how they cope, how they don't. and so all of the action that we are presented with are people bristling and bumping up against the limitations of life itself. that's where you get the hyper-realism. there are no master criminals or puppetmasters or cops. i mean, jimmy mcnulty is don quixote with a drinking problem and that's that. he's not special; he's smart and he's well trained.
and nick i'm with you that frank sobotka (he's currently on the espn poker show tilt) was a great character. i really can't think of a character that i didn't like. even prez gets his moments!
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't know, regardless of the societal reasons that lead people to do awful things, I have a hard time forgiving extreme cruelty, violence, and murder. It's easier for me to feel bad for guys like D'Angelo Barksdale, but not so much for powerful puppet masters like Stringer and Avon.
― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
and matthew i'm psyched to hear that! that's great.
if anyone's interested in a cheap copy of s2 ($60!), i may end up having two copies of it on dvd shortly. i bought it when it came out but i think i'm getting another copy from hbo cuz i reviewed it for blender. if it does arrive (i never count on these things) i'll post notice here.
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link
I think one of the many things that's great about the series is that it shows rather than tells in making its case. We hear about dumb Pollocks, then notice some of them being smarter than the characters using that phrase. Stringer and his boys call Omar a cocksucker and a faggot, but we see him having more heart (in every sense) than any of them. In season two, one of the young dock workers talks about project niggers, but ends up doing essentially the same business as them, but with less smarts.
Now, you could make the argument that there is "honor" in Stringer's taking an Econ class and attempting to invest drug money in "legitimate" stocks and other businesses, schooling his employees in the realities of capitalism that have to be faced before a gun is drawn. You can definitely make the argument that he's a great character, and the show's writers love him.
But to me, he's the essence of a soulless rational maximizer. He takes what he can get. He kills characters I like, because they might hurt him down the road as informants. Once you extend the idea of "honor" to self-preservation at all costs, you have adopted Michael Corleone's morality, my friend.
Plus, he doesn't like go-go music!
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Life itself? I think if you don't see a radical critique of the various systems on display in front of us, you're trying not to see it. Check out this interview with the show's creator:
http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=3336
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 February 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 7 February 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 7 February 2005 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
At a review of crime statistics last week at the police headquarters, computerized maps flashed onto screens as ranking officers sharply questioned precinct commanders on crime trends. Forests of blue icons pinpointed drug-dealing hot spots, many accompanied by red X's to denote homicides.
Yet as the maps showed killings increasing in some places, they also showed that other reported crimes, including rape, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary, were down in most precincts.
"As I ride down the street, I'd have to say the city is safer," Acting Police Commissioner Leonard D. Hamm said.
Not everyone is so sure. Some criminologists have questioned the statistics, arguing that some precinct commanders may be downgrading serious crimes to lesser categories to make their districts look better.
And then there's this, which Simon's gotta be kicking himself for not thinking of first:
"Baltimore is actually a very safe city if you are not involved in the drug trade," Health Commissioner Peter Beilenson said.
And look at the photo -- it's Carcetti and Burrell!
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link
I've been telling lots of people that Season 1 was the best season of TV I have ever seen, and after giving that a lot of thought, I'm pretty sure I agree with myself. I think it's aided somewhat by being only 12 episodes, so there are no duds, but still. If you love THE NOVEL, you'll love The Wire. Season 1 is not only the best TV shows ever, it's also one of the best novels I've ever, uh, witnessed.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link
But do we really need any more of these evil, conspiratorial, slimy, and yes, JEWISH defense lawyers who seem to LOOOOOOOVE crime and misery? This "Maury Levy" (UGH) is the only real full on caruacature on the show. Give me a fucking break already with the smirking and the evil-ness.
Still the best show ever, though.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link
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― yaydrian (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, I would recommend all of Price's books. Wasn't that Richard Price as the literature teacher in the prison class in Season 2?
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link
i'm guessing that if season four of the wire happens with its supposed public school-focus, i bet some of the themes of samaritan figure in prominently.
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/actors/clarke_peters.shtml
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link
I KNEW McNulty was an English guy putting on an American accent as soon as he opened his mouth.
― just adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
YES YES YES
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― VIC MACKEY (nordicskilla), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 18 March 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link
he did yeah, but I'll keep my bad opinions on David Simon off this thread cos I think everything he touches is unbearable garbage
― calzino, Saturday, 18 March 2023 07:35 (six months ago) link