I disagree on one very large point: I view the main character as a victimized woman, not a merry adulteress. The husband who warns Justin Theroux about the "consequences" of adultery is an all-around nasty character, and shouldn't be taken as a mouthpiece.
(And yes: for attitudes like his, I blame the patriarchy)
Laura Dern's life is not real, and it doesn't become more real by the introduction of a film. Rather, the film is so unreal ("on high in blue tomorrows"? "47"?) that it exposes her whole reality as spurious. All the world's a stage.
"Lynch manipulates film in the way an animator might" - Yes indeedy. This is the first David Lynch movie that didn't, by its style, keep me at arm's length: the organic, almost breathing DV shots possess so much more intimacy and candor than his previous, too-slick cinematography on film.
― polyncephalic, Monday, 10 September 2007 08:27 (fourteen years ago) link
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 21 September 2007 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I also just saw this movie. Not a good (or perhaps it is the best) film to start watching in your basement at 3 in the morning.
Lynch switched over to digital camera for this film, and it shows - it's likely he just discovered Photoshop, with the effects shown. On the DVD there's a guide to calibrate your television set for color, contrast and brightness. From the very beginning he uses that visual wide range. From what I understand he deliberately chose mid-range cameras for the look - you can see especially in the specs in the ultra low-light scenes (and the goofy scene where the filmmakers futz around with the lighting for ages...) Your eyes get used to the darkness, the quiet. The dreadful music very, very slowly churns up, and you know something is going to happen... then an enormous flash, scream, score hit...
It's the bus, the internet shock video, repeated every 5 minutes for THREE HOURS. Some of the scenes from the final moments are probably burned into my mind forever. I hate these kinds of techniques in horror films, they're cheap as hell. Not to say that can never been done well or respectfully in suspense films, but so often in THIS film they're awful and torturous. Do they establish the nightmarish, time-displaced, mentally dissociative-state atmosphere of the film amazingly? Sure. I didn't mind the mad POV disorientation and constantly rejoining narratives at all - but with all the flash cuts, shifting brightness, sudden extreme close-ups and gazing directly at the camera... At a certain point, the meanings this kind of thing may have, becomes totally irrelevant. THREE HOURS.
I know this thread is more about discussing the thematic work and meanings in Lynch's film, but the techniques he used drove me mad. I can still see the incredible skill and artistry behind the film's metaphors and structure, and I greatly admire that, but I'm more angry than appreciative because of the stroke I was going to have after so many grotesques.
I mean, hell, on the bonus disc, I didn't even get through through his ridiculous cooking segment, because it had the same creepy music playing while Lynch himself offered a harmless cooking lesson. I doubt a bloody stabbing occurred while dinner was served, but I think proving this kind of point is just aggravating and useless.
P.S. Poly, I think you're dead on - at least I had a very similar interpretation myself. In the opening post here you nailed much of what was great about the film. I do love the movie's different levels... for instance, I don't particularly care about the actress' story or Lynch's examination of Hollywood morality (taken more literally), but the Lost Girl, or Perhaps Mother, and her final salvation at the end was incredibly affecting and fascinating (and not because I was glad the film was finally over).
And the credits sequence was pretty great.
― Nhex, Monday, 1 October 2007 06:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks. And, I think I'm more willing to overlook certain flaws of the film, but it's true... some of the horror techniques stuck way out. There were a couple of edits -- silence, then cut to flashing or screaming -- that made me say "why do you gotta do that, David?". If I had my druthers, I'd take out some scream-and-thunderclap moments, just like I'd truncate the Dern monologues.
(she has a great one in disc 2 "More Things That Happened", though -- spiders in the walls!)
Also, just to be a PITA, I'll say that I'm no longer of the "coming to America" opinion. Nailing IE down to a linear time and space frame feels Procrustean... it works, sort of, but then so does the idea of travel through screens, or the idea of the whole story taking place in one moment. That's what I find myself moving towards.
― polyncephalic, Monday, 1 October 2007 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe I've barked up the wrong tree? It's possible to say that Lost Girl needed money or wanted excitement or anything in between, but maybe her motivation isn't important here. All we really ever know about her is that she's in a hotel room (face blurred out), she's having sex (apparently not by choice), and that she's afraid. Maybe the question is: what would go through the mind of a woman in that situation? A woman in trouble?
― polyncephalic, Monday, 1 October 2007 07:51 (fourteen years ago) link
The moment of "wait, this doesn't belong"... that, to me, marks the beginning of the end for a dream. Neo's deja vu. The oddness of the Tench. Landing a role on "47". DL is canny enough to let us draw the connection, if we want to.
(Apologies for excessive verbiage)
― polyncephalic, Monday, 1 October 2007 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I just wrote a ridiculous amount in response, but I realized it's gonna be hard enough to focus on just one thing, so I'll talk about the monologues for now...
I'm not thinking much narrowing down a specific time frame of logical events for the entire story, either. The emotional journey that the main character goes through completely ignores and destroys the conventional rules of time and space. Any literal interpretation can be safely ignored!
Personally I totally dug the Dern monologues, if just for her cutting performance. It felt RAW, also justifying by contrast all those scenes with Dern playing the thinly Hollywood-drawn southern adultress character, Susan Blue, on the movie set. While the fakeness of Susan Blue is truth, I figured the backstory of the monologue was the real truth spoken by Lost Girl, even though she was in the physical guise of the awakened Nikki Grace, yet speaking with the accent of Blue. The convergence of personas is the beginning of the end of this journey. It explains how she knew the Phantom - the hypnotist - and how this likely all started, her history of sexual abuse, and revenge. The Lost Girl, forced to watch Inland Empire, is a trapped victim, but was she always? Alternatively, the toughness of the character may yet be another fantasy to cover for her insecurities. How much of this is "truth" and how much is not... is probably meaningless in the end.
A stretch, but it also seemed much of these personas were informed by a foreign interpretation of American women - the slut actress, the street whore, the southern belle and bitch, self-consciously from American films.
It was also one of those nice chronological reveals, realizing her outpouring her anger... because it actually happened after she was "killed" and awoke from the Hollywood dream-set? Of course, the Theater Owner can't really do anything for her, even though she expects him to save her or give her answers... though in fact it's the ability to realize she is being watched and can watch the future on the projection screen which eventually gives her the power to free herself. Self-awareness? Industry ego?
I was still surprised to learn later that apparently the movie's production started with the 14-page monologue, before the rest of Inland Empire was conceived, written or filmed.
― Nhex, Monday, 1 October 2007 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I see Lost Girl as dead, all right, dead and in the Bardo( as in the Tibetan Book of the Dead).Same for Nikki/Sue,after the realization she's dead sinks in- an actress, it's follows her 'death scene'.In fact, I see them as the same 'Woman In Trouble.'
My Grand Unified Theory, part 1, anyway
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