― DV, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J Blount, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lee G, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Wynton thing is funny because he pisses off people who don't give a fuck about jazz. People whose only jazz record is Kind of Blue get all huffy about Wynton's conservative approach.
― Mark, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
(rc = armstrong fan at age 12!!) (i sort of totally admire this, in a OMIGOD! way)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm dreading the end of the series though. I'll be bracing myself for that quote about C Taylor. I wish they were a little more up front from the get-go about the trad bias: "this is only the first half of the story chronologically" or something, anything. Their "definitive guide" is the same version inflicted on hapless bistro diners the world over by D Krall soundalikes, the stuff of hep late nite smooth- voiced public radio hosts. Wynton's version is the popular version is the idea that jazz is for Torchbearers not Mavericks and implies that he is the real smooth deal and people like Ornette and Coltrane somehow lost the plot (hmm gives me a thought for that Ornette vs. Lydon thread). His concern is with preserving a museum-piece= decidedly not punk.
If C Taylor= Pink Floyd of jazz then Wynton= Sha Na Na
― The Actual Mr. Jones, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Clarke B., Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jordan, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
rec.music.bluenote (the jazz newsgroup) has almost kill-file policy on Wynton and various never-say-die brain-dead Lincoln-centric trolls, as set out in the group FAQ
remember "Born in the USA" Springsteen ? -- someone told me that the same a&r record co. man who masterminded that was the guy who originally took "neo-classical" or "real jazz" or "Wynton Marselis" to the marketplace and re-sold jazz (complete with Marselis in back then rare "the real shit" tv interview pointing out that Stravinsky was "a back-beat kind'a guy, dig ?")
that Wire magazine with that guy Byrne on the cover, didn't it have Cecil and Wynton in the same issue ? successive issues ?
― George Gosset, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
When they broadcast the series in the UK they took the stuff on Cecil. Did they have any footage? Damn the BBC!
In some ways its good they took Cecil out. If you're not gonna do both sides then you might as well not do it.
― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Going back to the subject: Yes, Wynton is a punk: a punk-ass bitch.
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, June 4, 2002 7:00 PM (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
🙏
― Dan I., Sunday, 6 January 2019 03:54 (five years ago) link
namaste
― errang (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 January 2019 04:43 (five years ago) link
Damn, I really need to see that Ken Burns jazz doc. I’ve shied away from it all these years because Wynton is an ENORMOUS jazzist purist rock-hating asshole, but I think I’d warm up to it these days. I hate rock music too!
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
Black Codes from the Underground is good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
This thread makes me want to listen to all six of the Marsalis Standard Time albums and maybe write about them.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 6 January 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link