Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Californication
― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Mondeo Pop [Started by acrobat, last updated 1 minute ago] 5 new answers I Killed Razorlight With My Big Fucking Dick [Started by AAARGH, last updated 2 minutes ago] 1 new answer
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.tuningnews.net/news/060922/ford-mondeo-2007.jpg
Del Amitri - Nothing Ever Happens
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:40 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.carsandtuning.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/new-ford-mondeo-5.jpg
Deacon Blue - Real Gone Kid
http://www.litterboxcam.com/scalegraphix/images/mondeo01.jpg
Oasis - Cast No Shadow
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:42 (sixteen years ago) link
the dermot o'leary show on radio 2.
― mark e, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not sure Mondeo Pop exists anymore. It's more about SUV-Core these days.
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Zing zang zong aside, is Mondeo Pop the British Yacht Rock? This spreads from a conversation myself and less-published music writer acrobat had over MSN as to why America seems to love a good old fashioned critical reappraisal of bands (Steely Dan, Toto, Hall and Oates, Doobie Brothers), but nobody's turning up in the UK to go "Actually, Deacon Blue had a couple of really good songs, y'know?"
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
We've done that for most of our 80s pop though?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link
You mean "sophistopop"? Isn't that more American Anglophile critics than actual British ones?
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, Keane - Everybody's Changing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Are Steely Dan etc really in the Big American Canon like I dunno Bob Dylan or R.E.M. or Public Enemy are? Or is it more a niche "hipster" thing?
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.fordmondeo.org/gallery/data/2/medium/bg_ellie_may_0017.jpg
Spandau Ballet - True
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.mitscher.de/records/c/227.jpg
Former Mondeo Pop favourite, fell out of Virgin Radio favour in recent years.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.fordmondeo.org/gallery/data/556/medium/06050105.JPG
Prefab Sprout - The King of Rock 'n Roll
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Aztec Camera - Somewhere In My Heart (the point where indie and Mondeo Pop jacknife)
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link
This thread is missing The Pinefox.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World
― ledge, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.fordmondeo.org/
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac - The Chain. And many others. This feels broader than yacht rock really.
― ledge, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I was thinking of this kind of stuff - a bit rockier but there's definitely a crossover:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61reufFNo1L._AA240_.jpg
Disc: 1 1. Don't Stop Me Now - Queen 2. Bat Out Of Hell - Meatloaf 3. Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf 4. Golden Earring - Radar Love 5. Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd 6. More Than A Feeling - Boston 7. Jessica - Allman Brothers 8. Turn It On Again - Genesis (1) 9. Long Train Runnin' - Doobie Brothers 10. Don't Fear The Reaper - Blue Oyster Cult 11. Black Betty - Ram Jam 12. All Right Now - Free (1) 13. Highway Star - Deep Purple 14. Paranoid - Black Sabbath 15. Silver Machine - Hawkwind 16. Here I Go Again - Whitesnake 17. Gimme All Your Lovin' - ZZ Top 18. Ace Of Spades - Motorhead
― ledge, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Mondeo Pop is a little less J. Clarkson, and a little more C. Evans. Which reminds me, Texas were the kings of 90s Mondeo Pop.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link
hmm but it is just as much:
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EHXCE6MYL._AA240_.jpg
Disc: 1 1. James Blunt - You’re Beautiful 2. Michael Bublé - Home 3. Daniel Bedingfield - If You’re Not The One 4. 10cc - I’m Not In Love 5. Damien Rice - Cannonball 6. Craig David - All The Way 7. Daniel Powter - Bad Day 8. Backstreet Boys - As Long As You Love Me 9. The Corrs - Breathless 10. Aretha Franklin - I Say A Little Prayer 11. Paul Weller - Wild Wood 12. Bangles - Eternal Flame 13. Linda Ronstadt feat. Aaron Neville - Don’t Know Much 14. LeAnn Rimes - How Do I Live 15. The Judds - Love Can Build A Bridge 16. DJ Sammy & Yanou Feat. Do - Heaven (Candlelight Mix) 17. Louis Armstrong - What A Wonderful World Disc: 2 1. Van Morrison - Brown Eyed Girl 2. The Isley Brothers - Summer Breeze 3. The Stranglers - Golden Brown 4. UB40 - Red Red Wine 5. Fleetwood Mac - Everywhere 6. Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun 7. Blondie - Denis 8. Boy Meets Girl - Waiting For A Star To Fall 9. Foreigner - I Want To Know What Love Is 10. The Cars - Drive 11. East 17 - Stay Another Day 12. Simply Red - Stars 13. The Bluebells - Young At Heart 14. Pretenders - Don’t Get Me Wrong 15. Aztec Camera - Somewhere In My Heart 16. Tears For Fears - Sowing The Seeds Of Love 17. A-ha - Take On Me Disc: 3 1. Marvin Gaye - Sexual Healing 2. Otis Redding - (Sittin’ On) The Dock Of The Bay 3. Randy Crawford - One Day I’ll Fly Away 4. Gabrielle - Out Of Reach 5. Al Green - Let’s Stay Together 6. Beverley Craven - Promise Me 7. Atlantic Starr - Always 8. Dawn Penn - You Don’t Love Me (No, No, No) 9. Bee Gees - You Win Again 10. Chaka Khan with Rufus - Ain’t Nobody 11. Chic - Le Freak 12. Sheryl Crow - Everyday Is A Winding Road 13. The B-52’s - Love Shack 14. Cher - If I Could Turn Back Time 15. Shakespears Sister - Stay 16. Andreas Johnson - Glorious
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
16. Andreas Johnson - Glorious
RIP
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow. From the sublime to the ridiculous, and back again, half a dozen times per disc. xp.
― ledge, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd've loved to be a fly on the wall at the meeting where they were ironing out the concept for that album cover
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Mondeo Pop is more of an aesthetic than ledge would have it. It's not always what Soto and co would call Sophisto-Pop but it is similar. I don't think Sade, who epitomizes Sophisto-pop is Mondeo Pop at all but The Beautiful South are the kings of Mondeo Pop and they are not Sophisto-pop. It is a style that takes inspiration from the hot indie sounds of a few years prior and makes it a bit classier.
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.fordmondeo.org/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCF4260_Small_2.JPG
James - Sit Down '98
― acrobat, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Heaton is quite an interesting character, and for a year or two in the mid-80s I was quite a fan of the Housemartins. I still quite like things like 'Flag Day' or 'Build' and I think he was a touching singer once upon a time. I suppose the bloozy Radio 2 sound of the BS is the sound of Heaton forgetting Marx and forgetting Jesus and forgetting Hope and discovering beer and boredom and bitterness. He seemed to despise everything about pop music and life, but somehow became incredibly successful from doing so. You would think this would make for an interesting tension in the music, but it doesn't seem to have done.
The Beautiful South vs Simply Red as a post-socialist, pre-Blairite battle for the suburban car stereo of Mondeo Man is a topic worthy of Robin Carmody, though.
-- Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, August 18, 2003 8:52 AM (4 years ago) Defend The Indefensible: The Beautiful South
He was pretty good, that JtN geezer...
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
the mondeo was only launched in 1993 but the many of the quintessential mondeo pop tunes predate this. i did not realize that yacht rock was actually a tv show. if mondeo pop was a narrative based television progam the main protagonist would have to be paul heaton.
― acrobat, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link
paved the way for schaffel
― blueski, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Isn't Mondeo Pop just chart indie with a mortgage?
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Mondeo Pop Or Not:
Dubstar Crowded House The Lightning Seeds Alisha's Attic Badly Drawn Boy Delays
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Deacon Blue were named after a Steely Dan song, fyi, so there's your Yacht Rock/Mondeo Pop link.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Dubstar NO Crowded House YES The Lightning Seeds SOMETIMES Alisha's Attic NO Badly Drawn Boy SOMETIMES Delays BIG NO
― acrobat, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"Not So Manic Now" isn't Mondeo Pop? That song got rinsed on local radio back in the day.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
So not Mondeo Pop. There are many factors. Local radio play is but one. I do not know all the factors.
― acrobat, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
The other factor is Soul. Mondeo Pop is not soul but must have a soul element, I think. Wet Wet Wet are overlooked but crucial. In fact Mondeo Pop is fundamentally anti-rockist, maybe not in a 1986 sense but certianly in a 1996 or 2006 sense.
― acrobat, Friday, 31 August 2007 11:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Crowded House have a soul element? Someone ain't gonna like that
― DJ Mencap, Friday, 31 August 2007 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i was thinking about Wet Wet Wet the other day and how long it's been since they could NOT have happened...if that makes sense.
― blueski, Friday, 31 August 2007 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Dubstar = Micra Pop
― blueski, Friday, 31 August 2007 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you should think more about Wet Wet Wet, blueski.
― acrobat, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Almost pinefoxian.
Today I came home from the supermarket and snapped the radio on, and heard the opening of 'Wishing I Was Lucky'. And I liked it - it must be my favourite of their numbers; it has poise and dash; despite all the gymnasium of the soul business, when those travelling strings start to accompany Pellow halfway through an early verse, they bear grace.
― blueski, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Crowded House are more Volvo or Audi (A4 not TT) than Mondeo surely, just feel the restrained quality of them.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Crowded House are a bit of a red herring because they're not British. Mondeo Pop is part of a clear era in British history where the concept of "the left" was being invented.
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Paul Young's cover of 'Don't Dream It's Over' = ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM
― blueski, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link
What "left" are you talking about, Dom?
The Style Council and Haircut 100 seem too early but still important. The journey of Weller is a good narrative. I don't think Weller could ever be Mondeo Pop. The Mondeo was only introduced in 1993, what model did it replace?
If blueski made that up it is very good. The bit about Wet Wet Wet.
― acrobat, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
The Mondeo was only introduced in 1993, what model did it replace?
the Sierra, for all you fly fellas
― blueski, Friday, 31 August 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4967664204
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 31 August 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
nice review! i've only heard 'she's so lovely' but that was enough.
― Just got offed, Thursday, 20 September 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I should note that it's not that I think The Blue Nile are too good to be mondeo-pop, just that there's something specific about the vibe i don't think they share, if i'm understanding it correctly. It starts to become diffuse otherwise, another name for MOR british pop-rock.
In the same way that I wouldn't describe post-"Sledgehammer" Peter Gabriel as mondeo-pop even if there are certain points of overlap.
― Tim F, Thursday, 20 September 2007 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link
jokes, bruv I worked for about 16 hours yesterday
xpost
― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 20 September 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Can any Scritti fans speak on the Wetx3/Scritti connection? Is it fair to say that if Green Gartside had any artistic integrity they would have sounded like Wet Wet Wet?
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 20 September 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
If you got that idea from what I said that's not what I meant really. Wx3 took their name from a Scrit song, thats all the connections I know. What I meant was more that Scritti were held back by "artistic integrity"...
― acrobat, Friday, 21 September 2007 11:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe worth talking about how Edywn Collins got from "Rip It Up" from "A Girl Like You". The greatest victory of Mondeo Pop?
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 21 September 2007 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link
'a girl like you' is britpop tho!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 21 September 2007 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link
and 'The Magic Piper Of Love' is Big Beat
― blueski, Friday, 21 September 2007 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Freaky Trigger on the Mondeo Pop bandwagon! http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2007/09/the-freaky-trigger-top-100-tracks-of-all-time-no-52-joe-jackson-it%e2%80%99s-different-for-girls/ Random youtube commenter also on board http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBikNb5oEcU
Unfortunately I'm really dubious Joe Jackson is Mondeo Pop. Really, really dubious. Cos that would make The Police Mondeo Pop and that would be bad. Rip It Up might be.
― acrobat, Friday, 21 September 2007 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Steppin' Out might be Mondeo Pop though.
― acrobat, Friday, 21 September 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Too new wave. Surely this is what discounts Squeeze (other than "Pulling Mussels") as well?
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 21 September 2007 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Man, I heard Dreams by Gabrielle at the weekend. So, so pure Mondeo Pop in a way say M People aren't. It's got the prettiness and the sort of, this is no slight, smallness. "I'm not making plans for tomorrow, just stay for tonight" consumate Mondeo Pop moment.
Has anyone mentioned that "The summer in city where the air is still, baby being born to the overkill" bit in Somewhere In My Heart by Aztec Camera is GREAT and reminds me oddly of Hash Pipe by Weezer. also "a vision of love wearing boxing gloves".
― acrobat, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
The new Mixmag or DJ calls Hard-Fi 'Xfm Mondeo music' or something along those lines.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Squeeze: perhaps their after '85 albums have some Mondeo Pop moments, but the first incarnation of the band were NEVER Mondeo Pop.
― zeus, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
BTW, are there any other musical styles named by a car?
― zeus, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I was watching "top 100 forgotten gems of the 80s" on the hits the other day. The top 11 I thought was somewhat instructive:
11. Climie Fisher, Love Changes Everything 10. Tpau, Heart and Soul 9. Aztec Camera, Good Morning Britain 8. Alison Moyet, All Cried Out 7. Aha, The Sun Always Shines on TV 6. Abba, One of Us 5. Kim Carnes, Bette Davis Eyes 4. Feargal Sharkey, A Good Heart 3. Philip Bailey and Phil Collins, Easy Lover 2. Laura Branigan, Self Control 1. The Bee Gees, You Win Again
Ok not all MP by any means but some good candidates - Climie FIsher certainly, Aztec C of course, Tpau and Moyet in with a chance. Breathe, Hands to Heaven was up in the 80s or 90s - I always thought they were boyband-esque but the video looked more earnest than that. Anyway I think the idea that these songs are forgotten is telling, and not entirely mistaken.
― ledge, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess the Compilation is the natural medium of all Mondeo genres anyway.
-- Noodle Vague, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:09 (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Familiarity is the key here. Most Mondeo-friendly acts don't have whole albums of familiar tracks, apart from Greatest Hits collections. Take the Lighthouse Family as an average representative. Nobody knows what the non-singles sound like on their records, not even the people who played on them. Mondeo Pop thrives on the singalong. Compilations, especially with the word "Drivetime" in the title, are king.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Compilations that come free with newspapers?
― dowd, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Not usually. Too genre-limited. Also the demographic for the Mail on Sunday is averaging at least 10 years too old to get behind Mondeo Pop.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah, I see. (just wondering, as I was in someone's place this weekend and those were the only music they owned...)
― dowd, Sunday, 14 October 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link
weird that the lighthouse family's long-player was called 'ocean's drive', after the location of numerous hits in the miami crack wars of the early 80s.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 14 October 2007 13:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Most everything I said there was rong.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 15 October 2007 09:13 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.ukmix.org/images/reviews/2000/s_toploader.gif
― blueski, Monday, 15 October 2007 10:35 (sixteen years ago) link
http://blissout.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html#9167903617409285069
No answers, no solutions... just further-gloom-inducing inconclusions that all point towards to that bigger sense of impasse and social/cultural deadlock.
(Still at least it has inspired the best ILM thread in many, many a moon)
Posted by simon reynolds at 9:39 AM
kudos guys
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 21 October 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Sounds like someone hasn't seen Results 1 - 10 of about 256 for gaydiohead. (0.28 seconds)
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 21 October 2007 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link
"kudos guys"
Ha ha you wish. This would surely be SR's top ten most hated "loonies getting loonier" thread.
― Tim F, Monday, 22 October 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Reynolds will come around to Danny Wilson in time.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 22 October 2007 08:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Virgin Radio still has a lot of Deacon Blue on its daytime playlist
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link
So is someone gonna compile the Mondeo Pop rough guide?
― admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Also this thread has made me feel like listening to Dubstar (I used to drive a micra)!
Counting Crows. Mondeo, yes?
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^My job for this evening
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 11 November 2007 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Public response: MEH.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 11 November 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Public response: Dom, you're one of those guys who whines that people are better/fitter/more networked/richer than you as if there is a vast metropolitan conspiracy against your sorry, provincial, undervalued arse. Your solution: the only way to become memorable is to be hateful. Public response: MEH. When they find you as a pensioner, freeze-dried to a chair three months after your lonely death, wearing a bathrobe and dried remnants of excreta, and with more unpublish/ed/able work than Colin Wilson to burn off, nobody who was here will be very surprised AT ALL.
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 11 November 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"Hooray for middlebrow" says Simon Reynolds in "Bring the Noise". Is Mondeo Pop the logical conclusion of what he's desperately groping about for over the course of his writings, the spark he tries and fails to find in dancehall, rave, and grime?
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 November 2007 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link
His problems with homophobia in dancehall are similar to the problems Mondeo Pop fans have with the misogyny of the Beautiful South, but in the end we have to overlook these things to appreciate an overall beauty of product.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 November 2007 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Birthplace of Mondeo Pop?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JJ7oGHwMTI
― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 9 December 2007 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Fiction Factory.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
has balearic stolen mondeo's thunder?
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
One of the songs on the new Paul Heaton album has a 60-second burst of what seems to be the big man's attempt at 'rave music', which I found to be one of the more upsetting things I've listened to in 2010 so far.
― Melodic Man - I Need Geir (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 12 August 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Were Microdisney Mondeo Pop y/n
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_F0SKFHHo
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
related videos of the youtube page for 'Town to Town' by Microdisney:Curiosity Killed the Cat- Down to EarthThe Commitments- Mustang SallyNew Order- True FaithChina Crisis- Wishful ThinkingPhil Lynott- Old Town
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Feel like Car Share - specifically the episode that ended with "Oh Patti" - is, in a funny way, the apotheosis of Mondeo Pop.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
Save Tonight is The Passenger if the vehicle in question was a, well
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 01:52 (seven months ago) link