A thread for the Depeche Mode reissues

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joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

will they be available as single sacd/cd releases w/out the dvd version?

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

But why only three CDs, taken from various stages of their career?

And why not "Construction Time Again" and "Black Celebration" - their best albums?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Because you haven't read my further post indicating that the rest will eventually be rereleased as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

search: Depeche Mode

bahti hahti, Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

will they be available as single sacd/cd releases w/out the dvd version?

That isn't clear -- probably not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Since I never had Depeche on CD, this is convenient

Da Na Not! (donut), Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

There's talk of a possible Best Of too.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In short:

Tentative release schedule:

February 20th:
Suffer Well (CDS, CDM, DVD Single)

March 2nd:
Speak & Spell (SACD)
Music For The Masses (SACD)
Violator (SACD)

April 13th:
A Broken Frame (SACD)
Construction Time Again (SACD)
Some Great Reward (SACD)

April/May:
John The Revelator (CDS, CDM, DVD single)

June 15th
Black Celebration (SACD)
Songs Of Faith & Devotion (SACD)
Songs Of Faith & Devotion Live (SACD)

August 10th:
Ultra (SACD)
Exciter (SACD)

September 29th:
Playing The Angel Live (DVD - title not finalized)

November 2nd:
Best Of Depeche Mode (CD, DVD - title not finalized)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

But when will they release Construction Time Again?

Dan (Cutting Geir Off At The Pass) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(er... April 13th?)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

*marks his calendar for that very date*

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 February 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect that will be delayed -- please note that the original reissue date was the start of March, only now it looks like it will be the end of March.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Any official word on whether these are hybrid SACDs like the Can reissues? I would hope so given the tiny percentage of people who actually own SACD players...

telephone thing, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

release dates US and World in not the same shocka!

http://remasters.depechemode.com/

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

*grousegripe* However, staggering it a bit might actually be better for my pocketbook.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

This is kinda interesting:

The albums of Depeche Mode will be reissued over the next year. Not only will the albums be fully remastered, but they will also contain 5.1 surround mixes, along with other bonuses. The first batch of CD's will be "Speak & Spell" (with Daniel Miller as the executive producer), "Music For The Masses" (with Dave Bascombe, Alan Wilder and Daniel Miller as executive producers) and "Violator" (with Flood, Alan Wilder and Daniel Miller as executive producers).

I'm not too sure what this means, but are they implying that Alan's come back to do a bit of remixing himself on all this, maybe?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Why a best when you have the cd with the singles? o well,marketing...

francesco brunetti, Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'm not too sure what this means, but are they implying that Alan's come back to do a bit of remixing himself on all this, maybe?

This isn't unusual is it? I mean, people getting together with their past band to do remaster jobs.

Alan, like Vince, has of course spoken to the people behind the documentaries too.
(Btw. Just got "Speak & Spell" today. A big record store chain here just ordered the two other titles as special editions, so I had to order "Speak & Spell" on import)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Not that it matters, but I recently got "Construction Time Again" and "black Celebration" on vinyl for $1.50 total -- in excellent shape as well.

Also, I've never heard a 5.1 mix of anything outside of the movie theater... would such a thing devistate me (positively) listening to DM or would I be all "that's nice" and shit?

Still these excite me.

nick ring (nick ring), Saturday, 29 April 2006 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I right in guessing that these reissues are going to be copy-protected?

Jedmond (Jedmond), Saturday, 29 April 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

No way for me to hear the 5:1 mixes by now, but I still go for the special versions because of the documentaries.

And, yes, they are all copy-protected. Luckily doesn't matter for me with any of the players I use (and if I need a copy of one of the songs for a compilation, there is always Audiograbber to take care of that anyway)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 29 April 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
So, what happens? When will those remasters of "A Broken Frame", "Construction Time Again" and "Some Great Reward" hit the shops? They should have been released on 13. April according to the original release scheme.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And they're finally out in the States, that took long enough. (I was talking with a friend of mine who is in a position to know and apparently there was some sort of legal clearance problem for America that Mute had [inadvertantly?] dumped in Rhino's lap, though maybe I'm misremembering what he told me.) Only was able to grab Violator today -- what's great is that since my 33 1/3 idea for the album didn't go through, in its own small way the documentary on the DVD covered a lot of what I wanted to talk about perfectly, right down to starting with lots of stuff about the Wherehouse riot! Amazing news clips, and nice to see the various tour films done for many of the songs, though only in extended snippets rather than in whole.

And of course the album sounds freakin' brilliant. Again. As always.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

(And I also gotta say the B-sides sound great with DVD sound. "Kaleid" is currently tearing my head off.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds like Rhino did their homework with the video content- are the Rhino versions copy-protected like the UK releases?

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds like Rhino did their homework with the video content-

The documentary itself is a Depeche/Mute deal, so the credit to them!

are the Rhino versions copy-protected like the UK releases?

That I don't know, not having tried to rip it yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

are these dualdiscs?

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope -- two disc reissues, CD with the original album remastered, then DVD with 5.1 and stereo sound, plus the documentary and B-sides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Still no word about the next batch?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't understand why the B-sides don't appear as CD tracks (is it not possible to have mixed content on a DVD, ie. some stuff playable on dvd player and some on normal cd player)?

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Woah! There's like... clips of the LA riot on that dvd?

That's it i'm buying it.

pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The B-sides should have been on the first CD as bonus tracks.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

is it not possible to have mixed content on a DVD, ie. some stuff playable on dvd player and some on normal cd player)?

Nope, DVD lasers are a lot more precise than a CD player since there's so much more data crammed on there. DualDisc is pretty much a cop-out in that department since it actually has two metallic media encased in plastic.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, glad I read this thread so I don't bother dropping the cash down for these. Twenty bucks a pop to not get the B-sides on a CD? No thanks.

jonviachicago (jonviachicago), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I should note, folks, that ALL the B-sides have long been available on CD on the remastered CD singles box sets.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get the DVDs...are they DVD-As, or are they standard DVDs? because my dvd player can't deal with dvd-a.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

So one can only listen to the B-sides using a DVD player? Looks like I'll have to get the remastered albums and the singles box sets. Damnit! That should take a good five years or more.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I have to agree that the whole B-sides being DVD only has really made me question getting the reissues. Fucking lame.

And I was excited to get the reissues too. Then again, it's not as if the originals sounded bad.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And since I never had a chance to buy any Depeche CDs, looks like I'll be able to scoop up the used original CDs. Awesome.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The documentaries are great. The only reason for me to buy the DVD yet, and yet it was enough for me to do. Hopefully I will have the option to listen to the 5:1 mixes before or since too.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
According to the DM website, the next batch of remasters comes out on October 2nd, and consists of A Broken Frame, Some Great Reward (yes!) and Songs of Faith and Devotion (no!). Why must they hold back Black Celebration?! WHY OH GOD

Anyway, Black Celebration is coming out sometime next year, along with Construction Time Again, Ultra and Exciter.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:01 (seventeen years ago) link

They should have stayed with the original schedule and released "Construction Time Again" rather than "Songs Of Faith And Devotion" with the first batch.

(Still wondering what is the point with a remastered "Exciter" btw)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
OK, so I finally got at least two of those (going to buy "Songs..." too, but it will have to wait), and first and foremost I am struck by the obvious improvement in sound quality from the originals of "A Broken Frame" and "Some Great Reward". The documentaries are always worth watching, and I also love how they have included some live material from back then.

Hopefully they will not wait too long before they release the last batch, including three of their best ever albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
alright, so, these didn't come out as SACDs in the US, correct? so what is the point of them again? do any of them actually sound any better? the amazon reviews of violator reissue are scathing about it's pointlessness.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 28 October 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, can you tell me a little more about where to find the b-sides on CD? Are you talking about the CD single box sets in the black boxes with the 1-2-3-4-5-6 order? (There are six of them, right?) Anything else I should know when seeking these out in the used market?

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Saturday, 28 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The ones from the 80s sound remarkably better. Particularly "Speak And Spell" has gained a lot from the remastering.

I am a bit more in doubt about "Songs Of Faith And Devotion" though (yes I bought it now - the documentary is sure interesting), and I certainly cannot see the point in the "Exciter" remaster due next year, apart from the special edition with the DVD documentary.

And, no, this is not about the singles box sets although they are the ones you need if you want the b-sides in a format that doesn´t only play on DVD.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

And, no, this is not about the singles box sets although they are the ones you need if you want the b-sides in a format that doesn´t only play on DVD.

Yeah, I am familiar with the reissues that are coming out at the moment. I'm more interested in the singles box sets, though, and I just thought I'd get the info here if possible.

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Saturday, 28 October 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Stephen, go to Amazon and look up the singles box info there. It's every single from "Dreaming Of Me" to "Dream On" inclusive.. almost all of the remixes and B-sides included.

The rarer remixes were then collected on the Remixes 81-94 3-CD set from 2004, and some recent Enjoy The Silence mixes mostly on that US CD-single minus one mix on an non-US single that apparently isn't super essential.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Saturday, 28 October 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry 81-04

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Saturday, 28 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, not "Dream On," duh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I have loved the documentaries. I don't think there are a lot of new tracks to provide (other than rare live tracks, which is pointless because the songs are already known - unless there is unreleased studio material, then let it be.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

However, they should have included the bonus tracks on the CDs too, not just the DVDs.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I tried writing about the iTunes boxset in the sandbox, and everyone poo-poo'ed it! I'm a little hurt!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I was cruel.

Actually there is some word about that -- apparently you're only supposed to be able to buy the whole set and not individual songs or sets, which is annoying. (Even more annoying is that this is Mute's policy, not Apple's.) This is however apparently still being talked about behind the scenes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You can buy most of the tracks individually, but not the sets. Regardless, I am currently saving up for this thing. I want it now. Tomorrow won't do...
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Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

]05. - Flexible (Pre-Deportation Mix) (4.42)

I want to hear this.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 25 January 2007 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
So I got the Construction Time Again and Black Celebration reissues on Saturday. Who is happy? I AM. Then again I am currently listening to "It Doesn't Matter" from Some Great Reward -- how had I missed those concluding vocal parts before?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems they haven't been able to import them here yet. They were supposed to have been released by the middle of last week, but no signs of them anywhere in Norwegian shops for now.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i just got the 'construction time again' vinyl reissue. delighted to have a new. fresh, scratch free copy.

stirmonster, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, ordered it from an online shop now and hopefully they will send it to me before a Norwegian store manages to get it in its shelves. I need those two remasters/DVD's now. Heck, it's the two best albums they ever released, Goddammit!!!

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...

Ultra and Exciter finally out and got 'em the other day. And with that final step, I was able to do something which I had hoped would be the case -- get all the reissues for free thanks to dumping promo discs at Amoeba. A more than fair exchange.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

STILL WORKING MY WAY THROUGH THE DIGITAL BOX SET!!!

Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Nothing wrong with that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, doubtless. It's just a LOT of music to chew through.

Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I have yet to invest in "Exciter". Completely pointless as a remaster (after all, what exactly is there to be done with a 2002 recording?), but I guess I will buy it for the documentary and the new surround mixes.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

these dvds that come with the reissues are just fantastic aren't they? the early days studio stuff is adorable! i like how they give Daniel Miller and the other key label/production/tour crew bigwigs their due as opposed to the usual round of celebs banging on about what the record means to them and suchlike. some day all reissues would be made this way. a minor gripe is the lack of demos and stuff like you get with The Cure but you can't have everything.

piscesx, Sunday, 16 January 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

this is as good a place as any to talk about the new remix box set

M83 are terribad remixers here btw

anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

ha so no one besides me got this I guess

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

Even I didn't. At least, not yet.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

tbh it was worth it just to get "Happiest Girl (The Pulsating Orbital Vocal Mix)" on CD (the version on "World In My Eyes" was an instrumental)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

it's all on Spotify by the way.

piscesx, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

that would be helpful to me if Spotify was available in the US

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

also trying to figure out why I never heard the Trentemoller Club Remix of "Wrong" before picking this up

DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

Huh. I got it but apparently I haven't listened to it yet. In the queue!

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

you know what is an underrated album, is Exciter

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 12 October 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

slowly but surely i am getting the basic single cd remastered editions.
today i found remastered edition of 'violater' for a coin in a charity shop.
not so sure i need 'ultra' to be replaced as i think the original sounds perfectly fine, but should the chance arise then of course i will succumb.
the only other remastered edition i really need of the cds i already have is 'black celebration', however, the edition i have has extra tracks on it (breathing in fumes, but not tonight(ext), black day).
such a shame they did not add extras to the remasters.
that said, i kind of like the fact they stuck to the original albums.
i mean my first exposure to MFTM was on cassette, which had a ton of extras, and what i would give to have that edition available on remastered cd now.

mark e, Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link

black celebration dvd is a thing of beauty and a joy forever; the docu is *an hour* long and features among other treats; The Cure and the the Mode hiding in a van during a riot.

piscesx, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link

ultra came out during a period when CDs sounded pretty good, i think. pre-loudness wars, post-"oops got rid of the hi hat". like those great sounding byrds reissues that came around 97/98, i kind of remember those being the first 60s rock reissues that sounded really great and were inexpensive + easy to get. maybe i'm wrong/too young, tho

brimstead, Friday, 8 September 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link

The original CD issue of Music for the Masses had bonus tracks too, if I recall ('Agent Orange', 'To Have and To Hold (Spanish Taster)', 'Never Let Me Down (Aggro Mix)', a remix of 'Pleasure, Little Treasure' etc.) - I think it was a bit of a ploy by Mute to get people to buy the CD version... same with Erasure's The Innocents which had a couple of bonus tracks on both the cassette and CD versions ('When I Needed You (Melancholy Mix)' and their version of 'River Deep, Mountain High') ...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 9 September 2017 11:04 (six years ago) link

ultra came out during a period when CDs sounded pretty good, i think. pre-loudness wars, post-"oops got rid of the hi hat"

yeah otm. I mean, I figure it's partially based on what age I was at the time (imagine it sounds dated to a lot of people younger than me), but I love a lot of the way late 90's stuff was produced, before all the squashing. really crisp and clear. Ultra is one of the best-produced albums ever imo

Vinnie, Saturday, 9 September 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSozvePvdek

No angel came (Ross), Friday, 20 July 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2G7YY8Zr88

StanM, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:36 (two years ago) link

Start the tape!

Love the modernized trailer.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

I've been watching the various documentaries that came out with the 2006 reissues and occasionally Fletch comes across as the most colossal POS, I don't know much about the inner dynamics of the band, does he have that reputation?

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 17:23 (two years ago) link

I remember hearing that what eventually drove Alan Wilder out of the band was his indignation that Fletch took the same share of the band's profits, while making no musical contribution whatsoever

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link

Definitely part of it. Fletch seems to mostly function as their internal BS detector when it comes to whether the songs work, as I recall right. Combine that with the fact that he was the de facto manager for almost two decades until Kessler finally took the reins and he's part of the story of the band as unit if not necessarily as creative force.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 19:47 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I think he's kind of an important neutral component of the band dynamic.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 19:57 (two years ago) link

My Depeche Mode fan friend used as shorthand for Wilder and Fletcher "the one who does everything" and "the one who does nothing".

internal BS detector

That's what Billy Corgan said about D'Arcy.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 20:00 (two years ago) link

Lol, clearly even when she was in the band she was only modestly effective. At least Fletch has kept DM from ever embarrassing themselves, imo, but that could be as simple as Gore and Gahan lacking the sheer relentless ego of Corgan.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link

They had a very unusual band dynamic until Wilder left. Very rare that the lead singer did not really contribute to songwriting, while the songwriter wrote the songs and then left the arrangements up to other people! They really needed each other, I guess even Fletch

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 23:21 (two years ago) link

That's what Billy Corgan said about D'Arcy.

Bez’s role in the Happy Mondays and Black Grape was described as being “Shaun’s ears.”

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Belatedly caught their HOF acceptance speech - highly charming stuff, especially when they pay tribute to their influences, hah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7teQR3B-z8

birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link

"...the Eagles."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:19 (two years ago) link

But yeah, while it's hard to say one should have COVID-era highlights, this was actually one of them.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.rhino.com/article/depeche-mode-detail-strangestrange-too-dvdblu-ray-collection

Previously available as individual titles in VHS and Laserdisc formats (now out-of-print and highly collectible), Strange (1988) and Strange Too (1990) are compilations of the provocative and visionary short films lensed by master photographer/director Anton Corbijn, in collaboration with Depeche Mode, to create a new visual iconography for the band and their music.

Available for the first time in DVD and Blu-ray configurations and as a single collection, Strange/Strange Too presents 11 Anton Corbijn/Depeche Mode music films, newly restored from original Super 8mm sources, alongside six previously unseen outtake "vignettes" from the DM archives.

piscesx, Thursday, 26 October 2023 18:43 (five months ago) link


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