Herman's Hermits rock fuckin' HARD

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and legwarmers.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Peter NoOne is/was the weakest "rock star" that ever weres. (Even Davy Jones was cooler.)

Dave225, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm afraid you've got the whole thing backwards. Herman's Hermits are the most influential band in history with their crazily amazing sound.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The only thing that might even come close is the Archies. What's more hummable, Sugar Sugar or Don't Go Out Into The Rain?

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can't believe people have the temerity to dismiss the Hermits. "Silhouettes" is one of the best singles ever. They were straight up, full on POP but they did it with a panache that few of their counterparts could muster.

Nicole, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks, Nicole. One song I have to admit I don't like is Sea Cruise, but one song I'm happy to declare my undying love for is Henry VIII. I'm enery the eigth I am, enery the eighth I am, I am... It's hard core. At it's finest, no less!

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Daughter/court 'er = magical brilliant rhyme!

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

One of the most bizarre TOTP appearances ever (was recently screened on TOTP2): HH circa early '68 doing "I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving." Noone smirking and not even pretending to mime (ditto band). Kind of attempt at doing "Silhouettes" a la Motown, but no one told this to Johnny Pearson Orchestra who turned it into a George Shearing-type lounge thing. 50 million times more bizarre than anything on that damned Robbie Williams "Swing With Derek Bentley" album, that's for sure.

Vague toddler memories of even more surreal performance of "Oh You Pretty Thing" circa '71 which may or may not have had DB/Spiders backing Peter Noone.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I used to hear "Must To Avoid" as "she's a muscular boy". Very Brett Anderson. And "No Milk Today" really moves me. Its so corny and sad and Kinks-lite--"the bottle stands forlorn/a symbol of the dawn." They were wonderful.

Arthur, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Arthur's damn right. "No Milk Today" is wonderful.

"My Sentimental Friend" and "Years May Come, Years May Go" are in theory incredibly moving farewells to the dying 20 years of shared national innocence, though I'm not sure whether I'd ever actually choose to listen to either.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First show I ever saw = Peter Noone at Colorado State Fair free concert amphitheater. (Note: ticketed amphitheater featured Latoya Jackson.) Peter Noone rocked my maybe 9-year-old ass plus cursed and had an English accent, and so ever since then, a small part of me has very much wanted to be just like Peter Noone.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i threw my herman's hermits out the window to break it for an art project. sorry. i remember really liking it tho.

cybele, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Here Comes the Star' = awesome meditation on the price of fame and attendant loneliness wrapped into unrequited love narrative. Nice orchestration too.

Ben Butler, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes. Okay, so they may not rock "hard", but if you think about it the right way... Anyway, I really do like 'em.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks to Nude Spock for starting this thread -- it reminded me of how much I like this band and how odd it is that I own nothing by them...

Nicole, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've noticed Germany manufactures these great cds for cheap prices that have about 30 of the best songs from bands like Herman's Hermits. I own one and I've since seen another in the store (containing mostly the same songs). Monkees, too.

Nude SPock, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That "she's a muscular boy" mishearing goes back to when that song was a current hit - it's noted in Meltzer's "Aesthetics of Rock" (written in the mid-'60s).

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Never read it, Duane. Although I want to. I just took out A Whore Just Like All the Rest from the library. He really was the original rock curmudgeon, wasn't he? Why does he like X so much? I hate them.

Arthur, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah me too.

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Meltzer - great writer, not always 100% reliable taste (he digs The Doors!)

Andrew L, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

Herman got married on his 21st birthday and is still with his wife 47 years later.

That aside, I like the 'Ermits take on Donovan's song "Museum," it's a nice little groove. It was their first record that wasn't a total smasheroo in America and it failed to chart at all in the UK.

But I'd say "No Milk Today" and "There's a Kind of Hush" are their finest moments, and those two came out on the same 45 in the US, conveniently.

Such a joyful group - I can listen to them all day like a Tiger Beat reader in 1965.

Josefa, Thursday, 16 June 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link

the first rock band I ever heard - my father, who was a jazz guy, had some 7"s in the garage, who knows why - possibly relics of when he'd sold albums to retailers on commission for extra money - and I found "no milk today." it scared the shit out of me, all that minor key mid-tempo biz! it was b-sided with "there's a kind of hush," which I liked a little better but the bridge made me a little queasy - that long sustained chord at the end of each resolve produced a kind of visceral anxiety in four-year-old me

still I kind of liked them but considered them ominous

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 16 June 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link

Love "There's a Kind of Hush"; my third favourite after "A Must to Avoid" and "Mrs. Brown."

clemenza, Thursday, 16 June 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link

if they play at a free outdoor event near you, do go see them. peter noone is a born entertainer. here's him yelling up to a woman who's staring down from her apartment window. "hey you up there -- i bet you're wondering who i am, right?" (woman nods.) you think you know, right? (woman nods.) "well you're exactly right! i'm tom jones!!!" (he and band break into a letter perfect rendition of "it's not unusual.")

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 16 June 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link

if they olay at a free outdoor event near me, how many of them will be original hermits?

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 16 June 2016 01:06 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

I bought an album from them at a garage sale years ago, some greatest hits thing that I never listened to. Anyway the gatefold is full of all these press blurbs about how Peter Noone is the quintessential high school heartthrob and how all the ladies went wild with lust every time he was around and then you put the record on and he sings like a chipmunk and all the lyrics are about how he's a total dipshit, it totally fuckin rules

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link

i've seen him on the oldies / free concert circuit and he is a rip. funny as hell, spry because he started out really young. he makes the effort to incorporate local stuff into his comedy improvs which is a great touch. plus he closes with "there's a kind of hush" which is obviously the best song in the world.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link

saw him once at westbury music fair which is on brush hollow road, kind of a strange turn off the highways. he made some crack about "hollow bollow road" which is what i've called it ever since.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:16 (three years ago) link

also saw him at a street fair in hoboken. there was a woman watching out her apartment window some distance away. he started talking to her: "i bet you're wondering who i am." she nodded. he said "i'm just who you think i am. i'm..... TOM JONES!!!" <<band breaks into a few bars of "it's not unusual" while he prances around the stage.>>

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

happy to see love for "no milk today" on here. "just two up two down." YT commenters helpfully explaining the old meaning of "gay" company to the kids. lol.

andrew m., Wednesday, 24 March 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I just watched “Mrs Brown etc.” on TCM. What a weird movie. I didn’t realize it was released in 1968. It felt like it was filmed a couple of years earlier, except for the scene where the Hermit’s minus Noone do a couple of faux-Cream “heavy” instrumentals at a nightclub.

As Michael Weldon put it in the Psychotronic Guide: “the damned movie’s about dog racing!”. Indeed.

The plot just dissipates. I don’t know if SPOILERS are necessary here, but:

Noone loses his prize greyhound (Mrs. Brown) at the same time his True Love (Mrs. Brown’s – a human – daughter) leaves him for a modeling shoot in Rome. He therefore misses out on the Big Race for which the Hermits were hustling their asses at menial jobs for in London to earn the entrance fees, while the Hermit’s lose their make-or-break gig and go back to Manchester (“there’s 500 bands better than us in London”). Mrs. Brown the greyhound does return – with child (er, puppy) – and yes, Noone sings the title song to her, but Noone and Mrs. Brown’s daughter never do get back together, with Noone settling for the rather hapless girl next door (who truthfully is just as attractive as MBD). The credits roll over scenes cutting between the Hermits tooling around in a bus and MBD making like Twiggy in various Rome settings. I suppose the message is There’s No Place Like Home, but it’s strange how everything just falls apart and all the storylines amount to nothing.

The movie’s limited but real charm is in its portrayal of an England where everyone from a wealthy fruit market magnate on down to a cheeky hobo is lovably eccentric and good-natured. Even the two ostensible assholes – the Phil Spector-style promoter, and the bullying photographer – are harmless.

It’s a dumb movie, but I will admit to getting a shiver when “There’s a Kind of Hush” (among the loveliest of UK invasion songs) starts up during the inevitable falling-in-love montage, and frustrated when the score teases “No Milk Today” several times, but never delivers.

gjoon1, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:52 (one year ago) link

Well I'm sold.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:07 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

For those who have always wondered what the Hermits got up to on their tours in the 1960s, the group's former manager Harvey Lisberg has a new memoir coming out in March which promotional copy describes as "uproarious, frank, and moving."

Josefa, Saturday, 21 January 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4RQdhfBXRc

Stevolende, Saturday, 21 January 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link

They had three great songs (that I know of). I don't know how hard they actually rocked, though.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 January 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link

They achieved Maximum Heavy Hermanosity!

Who knows, Herman's Hermits could have rocked hard. Harvey Lisberg offered them Graham Gouldman's 'For Your Love', but producer Mickie Most turned it down as a single and on the song went to The Yardbirds.

Mickie Most also turned down Rice & Lloyd Webber's 'Any Dream Will Do' for Herman's Hermits, pre-Joseph & His Technicolor Dreamcoat, so there could have been a very different trajectory for Noone & Co.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Saturday, 21 January 2023 20:49 (one year ago) link

Speaking of different trajectories...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSxv8n5OpzQ

Just think...Hermie Stardust and the Hermits From Mars

Total Hermanosity, yes!

clemenza, Saturday, 21 January 2023 21:47 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYsHuzqZy4

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 22 January 2023 00:17 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

Their Psych-adjacent LP Blaze from '67 has hit streaming/digital in Stereo & MONO...

...and even as programmed with the ten songs in stereo followed by a repeat in mono, the thing is still just under 47 minutes in length.

Recognize the cover very well. We had a store in Toronto, Sam the Record Man, with a famous sale annex; used to see it up there for years for $0.99. Of course I stupidly never bought it.

clemenza, Friday, 6 October 2023 22:10 (six months ago) link

this bump is making me nervous 😰😰😰...... is it safe to assume that noone from herman's hermits has just passed away?

urquelle surprise (unregistered), Friday, 6 October 2023 22:57 (six months ago) link

Peter No-one has not passed away

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Friday, 6 October 2023 23:00 (six months ago) link

ah, thanks for clearing that up!

urquelle surprise (unregistered), Friday, 6 October 2023 23:03 (six months ago) link

Recognize the cover very well.

I've seen this one many times before years ago and didn't know til today what it was. Maybe it was at the local library.

We had a store in Toronto, Sam the Record Man, with a famous sale annex

My regret is not buying up the 70s Van Morrison albums they had up there for $6.99.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:00 (six months ago) link

The vinyl copies of Knee Deep in the Hoopla can stay, though.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:01 (six months ago) link

A couple Blaze standouts both written by three band members not named Peter Noone

"Moonshine Man": Somebody's spent some quality time with Revolver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJc3v5mC8hk

"I Call Out Her Name": Somebody's spent some quality time with some Buck Owens singles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO9OAegTiE

Is it Green Street Green that has them choogling before Creedence became established?

I kept hearing Blaze as a blueprint for the Stone Roses for ages when the Manchester scene was happening.

Got a copy for like 60p in like 1981. Played it a lot at the time. Got the Repertoire CD remaster when I got a chance.
Need to stick it on when I get home.

Stevo, Saturday, 7 October 2023 09:19 (six months ago) link

Well they were Mancs after all.

The First Time Ever I Saw Gervais (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 October 2023 09:25 (six months ago) link

If there is actual choogling on that album who is doing it? John Paul Jones, Davey Graham…? Don’t imagine Derek Leckenbie with all due respect.

Josefa, Saturday, 7 October 2023 17:28 (six months ago) link

I meant Bobby Graham, sorry

Josefa, Saturday, 7 October 2023 17:33 (six months ago) link

Right, it's Moonshine Man not Green Street Green

Stevo, Saturday, 7 October 2023 19:03 (six months ago) link

…written by Leckenby and other Hermits so maybe they are the chooglers

Josefa, Saturday, 7 October 2023 19:22 (six months ago) link


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