Charlatans(UK) C/D

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i think they did good indie, then good Britpop/Britrock - maybe not amazing, but good

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rubbishness personified. Not bad, not evil, not crap, not shit, just rubbish.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have a soft spot for "Forever." Every other song of theirs I've ever heard has so little identity I've forgotten it before it's finished...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Thursday, 18 September 2003 12:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i love them. revisionism at it's best. north country boy, s/t album, forever and one half of 'wonderland'...

tim burgess solo is odd. linus of hollywood is a genius soft-pop dude from l.a. it's not really country as it's more or less a countrified millennium or the free design.

st tremaine, Thursday, 18 September 2003 13:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a source of great embarrassment to me when once caught reading John Robb's book on the band, out of a sort of amused fascination with something so removed from my own general aesthetics (in my semi-defence, this was *just* before Robb joined Collins and Maconie in the TV nostalgia punditry game). Jerry the Nipper (among other names) told me off for reading "a bad writer writing about a bad band". I have no defence. I did find "North Country Boy" amusing, though, if only because it's almost the sort of song title Brian and Michael might have used for a B-side or something.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 18 September 2003 13:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "Us and Us Only". That was a good album and surprisingly inventive.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 18 September 2003 17:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The greatest hits has a number of good tracks, but after hearing Telling Stories I've never felt compelled to listen to anything more.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Solid, but samey. Track by track, there's good stuff on all of their albums, but nothing that stands out like "The Only One I Know." "Up To Our Hips" actually has a number of good-not-great tunes. I listen to them when I want background rock music that's good but not overly distracting. So, um, neither C nor D, but somewere in between.

dlp9001, Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Indie Guilt

Hoodie, Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I am reviving this because songs like "Opportunity" and "Then" and "Flowers" are just brilliant beyond belief. (NOTE: I only have the first album but MAN do I love it!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mm, "Sproston Green."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That first album is consintently underrated by everyone on the planet except for me, I think.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You only gave it four stars! Ergo, you underrated it.

This album is EASILY on my top 100 of all time, probably in the top 10.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Polar bear" - groovy!

How great a line is "Have you seen my polar bear? / It's that white one over there"?

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hang on Ned - NORWICH?

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wasn't that where they were from originally? I'm wrong, corrections will be made.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Er, if I'm wrong, etc. Which is entirely possible.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it was Northwich

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've always thought the first couple of albums were sort of lightweight, and that they didn't really fill their own shoes until Up To Our Hips or the self-titled album.

Tim Burgess has always been my favorite singer to come out of that scene, though -- even more than Ian Brown. I'm sort of anxious to hear his solo record if it's ever finished.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I thought it had just been released?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 18:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'a man needs to be told'. absolutely fantastic song. great great singles band anyway (just looking, then, indian rope etc) but that track is like nothing they ever did before. the kind of track you'd least expect from them. sweet messsage, high pitced falsetto vocal, wondrous tune, ace use of paper and comb...christ where have you lot *been* ?

every hayta has to download 'a man needs to be told' at once !
only then can you say you definitely dont like them.

piscesboy, Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, has it? I haven't been keeping up I guess...

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 6 November 2003 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic -- had an old casstte dub of Some Friendly and Stone Roses; yeah, i shredded it. Their sound is a bit dated - but it's still a great album; so's 97's Tellin' Stories.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Bought Between the 10th and 11th on a fluke, in my tinyhood (cause of Wierdo, initially). Not their best; I still blast Tellin Stories and irritate the neighbours. Seen them 3 times so far [incl. one of their last shows with Rob Collins]. Down to earth bunch of lads.

So, Classic.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Us and Us Only totally turned my head, hadn't paid any attention to them before (or since, really), but that album song for song flows really well.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 November 2003 20:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh god, classic, definitely - the only band out of that whole Manchester scene (or indeed the whole 1996 blokerock scene) not to exude that whole air of offputting boorish masculinity and/or arsenumbing earnestness.

Of course, like most people in this country, I have only heard all the singles, but they're still great pop singles.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Then" is completely godlike and really is the best song off of the debut.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

give me back my brain!

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Up To Our Hips is brilliant from start to finish. Although I no longer own it :-(

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

this thread s a bloody nightmare.


Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 12:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Really folks, they're horrible. Plodding 4th div dullards - and you know it really.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dr. C is being nice here.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I pity you both.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if they're 4th division who is 1st division in their league?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you say Happy Mondays, I really pity you.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''I pity you both.''

same here dan.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't pity you i just hate you

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

with hate I grow stronger.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

See, that's why I'm going for the pity. Aw bless.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


well if you wanna like post-dylan cobblers then fine mista perry.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays are sooooo much better than the Charlatans it's not even funny.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually Ricky it is quite funny.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays

You know the person at work who *always* comes out with the most *obvious* jokes, always parrots the standard line on the issue of day, always gives you 'fun' advice like 'don't do anything *I* wouldn't do'? They're not hateful, quite amiable even, but'd rather do anything than have to converse with them. Well that's the Charlatans. Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin. Fuck them.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they are quite different bands for fuck's sake. the Charlatans basically started off sounding a between the Stone Roses and Inspiral Carpets, then made the organ their own before going more Dylany/Stonesy for the third album, ending up as more Oasis on 'Tellin' Stories'. dunno what you'd compare them to now but i quite liked what i heard of 'Wonderland' - yep even Tim's falsetto.

the Charlatans are nothing like that Dr C, you're thinking of Travis or Athlete perhaps.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin.

ah re-assurance and reliability...

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

does le pinefox like them?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Have you even heard "Then" recently? Or "You're Not Very Well"?

This is a context/ubiquity issue, isn't it? The Charlatans were never shoved down our throats over here and we weren't inundated with 800 bands doing the same thing unless we wanted to be, ergo some of us in the US have developed very different attitudes towards "the obvious targets".

Also, I think I can count the number of Happy Mondays album tracks that I've liked on two fingers, only I don't actually have any recollection of them. For a good long while Primal Scream and Happy Mondays were duking it out for Most Overrated Singles Band In The UK in my mind, but then I realized that outside of "Slip Inside This House" I thought that _Screamadelica_-era PS was irredeemable shit across the board.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

now you are being just as much a mentalist as the haterz Dan ;)

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love the Crass connections going on -- I remember Burgess talking about being a fan of theirs back in interviews from 1990/91 so talk about flying the flag still!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2010 12:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love the s/t one as well. It's probably a tie between that and Up to Our Hips for me.

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sawan, Friday, 10 September 2010 00:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's been bugging me over the last 24 hours what the second track My Foolish Pride reminds me of and it just hit me, the verse where he sings "I wander streets belonging but to no one" sounds exactly like the verse of Open your heart by The Human League. Anyone else noticed this?

I have been playing this a lot and I can't help but think it might be their best album since the self titled one. I really didn't have much interest in this album until Johnny Fever put up the new single earlier in the thread but I'm so glad I bought it, great production, songs and Tim's voice has never sounded better.

Kitchen Person, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Pete Salisbury fills in

The Verve drummer Pete Salisbury has joined The Charlatans as a temporary replacement for brain tumour victim Jon Brookes.

Brookes collapsed onstage during the band's Philadelphia gig earlier this month (September 15), and has now flown back to the UK to receive further treatment for a brain tumour.

Speaking to NME, frontman Tim Burgess said Brookes's ordeal had been "a lot to take in" for the band.

"We were having the best American tour we've done for a long, long time and it was going so well and then this happened," he explained.

The band play their first show with Salisbury to launch Oxfam's Oxjam festival on Monday (September 27) at a charity shop in London. He will also perform with them on their forthcoming UK tour.

Fsck Washing Ong's Hat (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 24 September 2010 17:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeesh, sad news (but good guy to have fill in). Wanted to go to the Tuesday night show down here but a cold has tripped me up this week.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 September 2010 18:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

i almost went Tuesday night as well. the problem was i only found out about it on Tuesday and wasn't able to get everything organized and ready to go in time.

i do hope to see these guys soon as i have had fun at their gigs.

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yah, I was going to go to the Wednesday show at the El Rey. Hope they can reschedule the west coast dates eventually

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Yes, that's Kevin Shields.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 17 March 2011 08:39 (seven years ago) Permalink


That's Tim on the mic, right? My eyes are telling me that doesn't look a bit like him.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 March 2011 11:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yes, his hair was long and tied back. He came out on stage wearing sunglasses and looked disturbingly like late-stage Michael Jackson until he took them off.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 17 March 2011 11:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

The weirdest Charlatans-related story you'll read this week:

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:11 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Meanwhile R. Stevie Moore just posted this photo:

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 April 2012 14:30 (six years ago) Permalink

I listened to Up To Our Hips for the first time in at least ten years the other day.

Trip Maker, Monday, 2 April 2012 14:37 (six years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm definitely not digging David Cross's new wig.

Turkey, Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Anyone hear Tim Burgess's version of Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)? He hits the notes pretty well IMO.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:53 (six years ago) Permalink

one for the sticker

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:08 (six years ago) Permalink


Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:14 (six years ago) Permalink

"one for the sticker" remains one of my favorite snarks of all-time, I don't think there's a context where it isn't hilarious

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:17 (six years ago) Permalink

so, at last we begin to learn about the long-term effects of ecstasy

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:24 (six years ago) Permalink

wait, is that last picture actually not David Cross in a wig? i swear i've only just realised

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:26 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah the David Cross thing is kind of uncanny

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

odd, acoustic versions of North Country Boy and The only one I know

but with new tunes

Mark G, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (six years ago) Permalink

on Sky's coverage on the IOW festival

Mark G, Saturday, 23 June 2012 17:32 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 16:54 (five years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Well this sucks. RIP Jon.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 10:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Very sad.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Totally sad.
Did an instore with them a week or so before the Philly gig where he collapsed - was a nice fella. Fine drummer too.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 12:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah, a damn shame. He was just the drummer for the band, great player, a little flair, never steamrolled over the band but worked with everyone just so.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:18 (four years ago) Permalink

At first I was like "that's sad" and now it keeps nagging at me and I'm starting to get really down about his death. Gonna listen to some more Charlatans and work through it, I guess. Rest in piece.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:45 (four years ago) Permalink

urm, PEACE.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's really sad, I've read a few things now from people that met him and said he was a great guy.

I decided to throw on a few of their albums today. Started with Between 10th and 11th and will go for the self titled next (probably my favourite) The first five albums are a great and totally underrated run of albums.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Up to Our Hips and the s/t are my favorites, and Between 10th and 11th is up there as well, but I've never spent as much time with Some Friendly. I'm doing that now.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 15:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I find Some Friendly a bit more dated in places but still a really enjoyable album. It's all about Sonic and Sprosten Green at the end, two of my favourite songs of theirs.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

gah RIP

always been partial to Us & Us Only, some great drum parts on there

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:06 (four years ago) Permalink

still amazing

piscesx, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes! I should have added earlier Wonderland is another one of their great albums and A Man Needs to be Told is the highlight, it should have been a huge hit for them.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:07 (four years ago) Permalink

this is sad news, RIP.

going to play their self titled tomorrow, my favorite of theirs. just counted and i actually own nine albums and a few singles by them.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 05:39 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

the new album is dope.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 04:05 (three years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

God, I didn't hear a whisper about the album. Was just revisiting "Oh Vanity" (which is utterly great) and then found Modern Nature sitting on Spotify, like a forgotten Christmas present that suddenly turns up mid-year. Did anyone in the US write anything at all about this?

dlp9001, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Tried to but my various pitches were turned down. Tim Burgess ended up following me on Twitter a while back -- very flattered, not sure why he did! -- so I've followed him in return and it seems like they've had a very good year of it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:17 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Can't stop won't stop

The Charlatans have released their new single "Plastic Machinery," available now for download and streaming. The song is from the band's thirteenth album entitled Different Days, due out May 26, 2017 via BMG. Co-produced by Jim Spencer, the album was recorded at the band’s studio in Cheshire and features contributions from an array of friends... from Paul Weller and Johnny Marr to crime writer Ian Rankin and writer/actress Sharon Horgan.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 20:06 (one year ago) Permalink

Fuckin' hell, this band are still going!? music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:14 (one year ago) Permalink

The longest time they've ever been between albums has been three years. Most times it's been two, sometimes one.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:20 (one year ago) Permalink

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