Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link


Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw an episode of Enterprise that featured a lacrosse game on a desert planet played in slow motion. I felt like I was watching an extended Abercrombie and Fitch ad.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated TNG - data,wesley and riker's beardless phases espesh. voyager had that one cool story about that temporal ship, DS9 was mostly good - playing up the existence of factions within cultures/races - the plot arc better than that on the later Babylon5.

Enterprise - trip is annoying but that vulcan's fit.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

today is actually the first time I got around to watching a full episode of enterprise and its not bad in a back-to-basics way but please drop the theme tune please (I didn't watch any becuz I was in canada and I ddin't watch any telly for 3 months apart from world cup).

first series: like what i haf seen but haven't watched many episodes.

Next generation: only reached goodeness after the Borg came in the picture.

Deep space nine: deeply flawed (a space station in the middle of nowhere and they had to make a war to make it interesting so it had problems just like next generation) though I did watch most of it.

Voyager: the absolute fucking classic. They are stranded and haf to go back but they explore the other side of the quadrant which means all sorts of storylines, (this aspect is exploited to the full) and if that isn't enough then here are the words that settle this argument.


The woman of my dreams (Troi is an ugly witch compared to my seven). She's like Data (both trying to gain 'humanity') but she's a woman. And what a woman. Then the doctor who i think is rilly rilly funny too.

I was pissed off that my brother missed taping two episodes and I made him aware of that to say the least(only six were taped, I had to spend all night watching them on the day i got back from canada and it was time well spent though seven is breaking my heart trying to 'get' chakotay).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The original series had those cool mini-skirt uniforms, beehive hair styles, & Klingons as thinly disguised Cold war-era Russians. What's not to like?

(Fun fact: The student services building at my school is called the William Shatner building & even has the Shatner Ballroom. Classic!)

Miss Laura, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i had never seen the one before where kirk gives a dramatic reading of the constitution to a band of white mongol (?) liberty-worshippers

j., Wednesday, 6 May 2020 08:51 (two months ago) link

That one is kind of bad, despite that classic moment.

yesteryear is the only tas episode worth watching. maybe the clip of the holodeck too.

Oh yeah, had to look it up but remember that one from the original run. Some people like TAS because of all the name screenwriters but I dunno.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:32 (two months ago) link

I like it because the episodes are shorter

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 21:07 (two months ago) link

Series two has started. Obviously took them a while to get Chekov's wig right, he looks ridiculous in the these early episodes.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 09:06 (two months ago) link

There are some classics in the early part of Season 2.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Friday, 8 May 2020 11:37 (two months ago) link

Didn't Roddenberry go missing towards the end of season 2?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:04 (two months ago) link

the gene l. coon era was the best -- he started doing the script-editing/showrunning when Miri was being filmed, stayed on until around halfway through season 2. he amped up the kirk/spock/mccoy dynamic and made the show more lighthearted.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:19 (two months ago) link

Sounds about right.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:22 (two months ago) link

that dynamic = "Earth people have moved beyond racism but Vulcans are fair game"

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:23 (two months ago) link

Roddenberry stepped back a bit after Miri in season 1, giving the main line producer/showrunner job to Coon. then later he pretty much abandoned the show when nbc gave season 3 a bad slot.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:27 (two months ago) link

(xp) That reminds me, Kirk called Scotty a "stiff necked thistle head" at one point in today's episode.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:34 (two months ago) link

Scotty was acting like a complete arse though, all gooey-eyed and lovestruck over this week's female guest star.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:35 (two months ago) link

i saw the last 15 minutes of Apollo getting murdered

do they repeat the evening show the following morning or is it the same episode twice a day

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:48 (two months ago) link

I believe it's a repeat of the evening show.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:52 (two months ago) link

Looking forward to the discussion once "The Gamesters of Triskelion" rolls around. Lowest of TOS for me, though "Cheeee-koooof" busts me up.

Thanks to more evening time at home, watched seasons 1-3 on blu for the first time. Enjoyed the new effects quite a bit. Noticed all sorts of things my younger self missed, thanks to the rapid watching. McCoy offsets his country doctor persona with a lot more harsh criticism than I remembered, and Kirk is sharper with Spock at times than needs be. The Federation bureaucracy exists pretty much to set arbitrary deadlines, hector, and not enforce the Prime Directive. Lots of disconnects between talk and walk - racism as mentioned above re: Vulcans, sexism is alive and well, money isn't the motivating force except when it is, etc.

But much great progressive stuff as well for its time - anti-war scripts galore, class warfare (The Cloud Minders), racism (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield might be too obvious, but it sure highlights the issue's stupidity), the bridge melting pot, Pike's Number 1 being Majel Barrett, etc. Overall, my nostalgia came out justified.

Next up, the animated series. Have seen only bits of one, so it's like a new season.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:53 (two months ago) link

The guy who played Apollo was very good... and still alive at 91!

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (two months ago) link

pretty sure i watched all of TAS as a kid, and have never seen it since

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (two months ago) link

yeah Apollo was good and moving even if he was obv a bit of a douche

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:55 (two months ago) link

That guy was some kind of Next Charlton Heston or something.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:01 (two months ago) link

Directed by Marc Daniels and co-written by Gene L. Coon, so all our favorites involved in that one.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:05 (two months ago) link

Watching Mrs. Redd watch TNG and Seymour Cassel just showed up as a guest star of some sort.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:36 (two months ago) link

Some kind of benign Charlie X episode, it seems.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:41 (two months ago) link

Also, sorry if I’m late to the game, but what’s with Counselor Troi’s accent?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:44 (two months ago) link

I don't think she changed her natural voice...

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:53 (two months ago) link

Also, why doesn't Worf's name start with a 'K'?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:56 (two months ago) link

I just looked up the thing about Troi. She claims her speech was based on an Israeli friend, however her parents are Greek, which is what her character sounds like, and she grew up in London and actually has a Cockney accent.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:02 (two months ago) link

it is a silent k


j., Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:21 (two months ago) link

Not so much cockney as Tottenham, which is where Marina Sirtis grew up I think, sorry 'fink'.

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:46 (two months ago) link

watched some interviews. dang, i honestly didn't notice until now. though i guess her Troi voice does sound.. vaguely Gal Godot-ish

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:53 (two months ago) link

I always assumed she was trying to do some kind of variation of her parents' Greek accent, didn't know it was supposed to be Israeli.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:12 (two months ago) link

Classic episode on right now, as some radiation, or somethin', turns Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and even Spock into doddery crotchety old geezers shuffling about forgetting what they just said.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:24 (one month ago) link

Part of the aging process being McCoy's accent getting more and more Southern.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:28 (one month ago) link

Does that still work in the 23rd century though?

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 12:20 (one month ago) link

pretty sure mccoy's got more southern because after he retired he would have spent more time drinking mint juleps on the veranda

j., Friday, 22 May 2020 13:46 (one month ago) link


Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 May 2020 13:49 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

DJI, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 20:20 (one month ago) link

I like how Patrick Stewart de-emphasizes it most of the time.

wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 13 June 2020 16:05 (four weeks ago) link

To celebrate #StarTrekUnited, stream Star Trek's most culturally impactful episodes FREE at the locations below:
- CBS:
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— CBS All Access (@CBSAllAccess) June 17, 2020

personally i always thought the one where spock mind-melds with the horta was super culturally impactful

j., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:42 (three weeks ago) link

Devil in the Dark would be on my list, too.

Millsner, Friday, 19 June 2020 11:59 (three weeks ago) link

I think at some point I'll order CBS for a month and binge all the ST content at once.

DJI, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:49 (one week ago) link

it takes a lot longer than a month to do them all

j., Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:51 (one week ago) link

did they really need to name their sitcom after my favorite tng episode

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:16 (one week ago) link

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