ILX TOP 50 FILMS OF 2000-2004 BALLOTS/VOTING

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Also, fifteen votes seems kinda low. That'll only give me the chance to vote for the ten films I nominated plus five more.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

And why do the worst films have to be from the same list of nominees? I doubt anyone deliberately nommed some shitty flicks.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, forget that last comment, I see that there are enough bad films (Dancer in the Dark, Grouching Tiger, Ichi the Killer, Million Dollar Hotel, The Pledge, etc) on the nominations list already.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:27 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) That makes it more interesting, though. I was pleased to list three films I think are overrated garbage.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Somehow I feel some films, like Irreversible, Dancer in the Dark or Grouching Tiger, have a good chance of ending on both lists.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, at least I can on some level understand why someone might've liked those three films, but why would anyone even nominate Ichi the Killer remains a total mystery to me.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link

just voted, here's my ballot! EVERYBODY COPY MEEEEEEEEEE

1 Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)
2 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry, 2004)
3 Good Bye Dragon Inn (Tsai, 2003)
4 Gosford Park (Altman, 2002)
5 Waking Life (Linklater, 2001)
6 Spirited Away (Miyazaki, 2001)
7 Yi Yi (Yang, 2001)
8 25th Hour (Lee, 2002)
9 Zoolander (Stiller, 2001)
10 Battle Royale (Fukasaku, 2000)
11 Russian Ark (Sokurov, 2002)
12 The Gleaners and I (Varda, 2001)
13 Bring It On (Reed, 2000)
14 In the Mood for Love (Wong, 2000)
15 Notre Musique (Godard, 2004)

least faves:
1 High Fidelity (Frears, 2000)
2 Almost Famous (Crowe, 2000)
3 The Million Dollar Hotel (Wenders, 2000)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

We have four in our top 10 in common, Blount. BUT WHICH?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm i'm guessing mullholland, eternal sunshine, spirited away and yi yi???

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Noooooooooooooooooooooo ballots here

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I share a SINGLE FILM with blount

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

BRING IT ON RIGHT?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

and of yr least faves, i share one, i nominated another, and i voted for the third

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

bttl ryl

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

this damn thing made me realize i haven't seen enough 21st century flicks

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link

jb: all correct except for yi yi, which i expected to like but didn't. the other one in common = 25th hour.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

gear voted for irreversible 3 times - CHEATING! ALSO - PERVISH DUDE! every film on jaymc's ballot has titties or panties (but no raping - SORRY GEAR)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

jk i need to go to bed

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

1. The Good Thief (Jordan, 2002)
2. Kung Fu Hustle (Chow, 2004)
3. The Fog Of War (Morris, 2003)
4. Below (Twohy, 2002)
5. Gangs of New York (Scorsese, 2002)
6. Joint Security Area (Park, 2000)
7. Finisterre (Evans, 2003)
8. The Pianist (Polanski, 2002)
9. Infernal Affairs (Lau, Mak, 2002)
10. Shaun of the Dead (Wright, 2004)
11. Femme Fatale (De Palma, 2002)
12. High Fidelity (Frears, 2000)
13. Sexy Beast (Glazer, 2000)
14. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)
15. Battle Royale (Fukasaku, 2000)

least faves:

Almost Famous
The Man Who Wasn't There
Charlie's Angels

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

every film should have a protracted rape scene, amirite fellows

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

haha we really should stop, esp since only ten people vote in these things

how funny would it have been if you really had voted for irreversible 3 times?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they rape jesus in the da vinci code or something

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Irreversible
2. Irreversible
3. High Plains Drifter
4. Irreversible
5. Straw Dogs
6. Straw Dogs
7. Irreversible
8. Straw Dogs
9. Irreversible
10. High Plains Drifter
11. High Plains Drifter
12. Irreversible
13. Straw Dogs
14. High Plains Drifter
15. Straw Dogs

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

16. The Little Mermaid

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't reveal my vote, but I have no films in common with either Gear or Blount.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My vote's in. Two from Gear's and two from Blount's.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Tuomas' ballot

1 Vanilla Sky (Crowe, 2001)
2 Together (Moodysson, 2001)
3 The Million Dollar Hotel (Wenders, 2000)
4 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
5 Amelie (Jeunet, 2001)
6 The Dreamers (Bertolucci, 2003)
7 Ichi The Killer (Miike, 2001)
8 Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002)
9 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
10 Bend it Like Beckham (Chadha, 2002)
11 Man Without A Past (Kaurismaki, 2002)
12 The Village (Shyamalan, 2004)
13 Saddest Music in the World (Maddin, 2003)
14 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
15 Napoleon Dynamite (Hess, 2004)

least fave
1 Spider (Cronenberg, 2002)
2 Spider-Man (Raimi, 2002)
3 Spider-Man 2 (Raimi, 2004)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You got Amelie right.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas likes racist movies shockah

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

haha jkm that movie is some fascist confection though

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, in which part?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the part where it's a le pen wetdream

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

???

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean obv you don't have to agree with a film's politix to enjoy it or admire it but the whole 'it's morning in france' whitewash (literally) rightwing jizzing and such really got under my skin. plus that fucking gnome - guhhhhh.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas have you actually seen amelie? or just screencaps of tatou's nipslip?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I have seen it, but it's been a few years, and I have little idea what you're talking about. Would you care to elaborate a bit more?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

the movie's racist and rightwing as fuck, almost definitely the most conservative flick on the nod list (including the incredibles!), there's no mystery, it's sorta well known.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:29 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're going to just repeat saying it's racist without explaining why there's little point in this discussion.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas do a nexis search, 'amelie's racist' vs. 'no no it's just conservative' composed like 80% of the discussion of it at the time, it's maybe why it was rejected from cannes, i'm not gonna rehash every hackneyed thinkpiece about that fascist fluff from 2001 for you, esp if you're too fucking dense or racist to figure out on yr own.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't remember anything racist about Amelie - unless it's the 'no dark-skinned people in Paris at all' thing, uh. must rewatch.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean hey if you want to get off on a whites-only vision of france and rightwing wetdream that's fine, maybe sarkozy needs volunteers, it takes all kinds, but don't use faux-naivete and 'o gee, i never noticed and point it out all you like i'm not gonna notice kthxbye' as a lifevest, at least gear's upfront about his filmkinks.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess if there was no racist (sub)text to assume about anything you would surely cease to exist with immediate effect.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

(i'm not necessarily saying you're wrong here, but i'm not saying Jeunet is An Racist Lucifer either)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

First of all, Amelie has at least one North African character (Lucien), though I guess race plays no part in his role - which can be seen as a good or bad thing, depending on your view. Secondly, if lack of non-white characters is a sign of racism, then there are quite a lot of racist films in the world (possibly including your top two films, Blount). Thirdly, somehow I doubt Mathieu Kassovitz would've agreed to star in the film if he'd seen it or it's director as racist. Woody Allen always faces the charges that he doesn't include black characters in his films, but his answer is that he writes about the world he knows (the world of middle-class Jewish people, that is). I know exclusion is a big problem, but you also have to accept that not every movie can or needs to be about race.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tuomas what have you got against spiders??

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ok the voice ran two pieces on amelie in 01, film comment one, all addressing in passing or in depth the le pen buzz. 'the adorable lil' racist confection hit from across the ocean' is practically how the film was marketed.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yr right though, best to just bury yr head in the sand about it - worked out for france!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

so basically it's as racist as Notting Hill then.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

also no shit some of the films on my ballot might be rightwing or reactionary - I HAVE RUSSIAN ARK ON THERE FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU DUMASS.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, Lucien's boss in the film was North African too, right? Was it racist to portray them as street vendors? I dunno. Positive discrimination can be problematic too.

If you read that Film Comment article, it actually tackles the racism claims in quite a sensible way. Amélie is a fairy tale, not a socially conscious drama.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

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haha, no actually, i thought it was 2001 but yr right.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Sent a few days ago:

01 Yi Yi
02 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
03 Punch-Drunk Love
04 Donnie Darko
05 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
06 Lost in Translation
07 All About Lily Chou-Chou
08 In the Mood for Love
09 Mulholland Drive
10 The Corporation
11 Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
12 Kill Bill, vol. 1
13 Gerry
14 Sin City
15 Undertow

Tarnation would have squeezed in if I'd remembered to nominate it. And I really want to see Spirited Away again, I watched it at like 3am and fell asleep. :(

― sleep (sleep), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Well that was convenient timing: TCM is doing a Miyazaki retrospective and they showed Spirited Away last night!

― sleep (sleep), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

even the subtitled print at 2am.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe I forgot to nominate Primer. I haven't seen Donnie Darko yet. And pretty many others, too. And here's my ballot from a while ago:

My Favorites of 2000-2004
1. Punch Drunk Love
2. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
3. Spellbound
4. The Royal Tenenbaums
5. Before Sunset
6. Belleville Rendezvouz/Triplets of Belleville
7. Sideways
8. About a Boy
9. Good Bye Lenin!
10. Gosford Park
11. Snatch
12. Million Dollar Baby
13. Saved!
14. Downfall
15. Mean Girls

Worst Three:
1. The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring
2. Minority Report
3. Elf

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

shit, I didn't see this thread until JUST NOW :(

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

That's OK, lotsa folks already voted for How I Won the War in this one too!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah but I was going to #1 Zoolander. Fucked everything up now.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm having shit luck finding my Office disc and may need to get a new one from the university, so I could extend voting another week if a few people want to get ballots in.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

NO WAY. Cook County crap!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

How did my film get on this list? Who are you people. Something strange is afoot. Director 'The Good, The Bad and The Chorley'

― Krystal Gault, Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

What's happening with this anyway? Erick?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I got slammed with school and work, as I couldn't find my Office fast enough. I have all the ballots, I'm going to start counting two or three a night.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

paging Woodsy Erick Milo...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally got a new copy of Office this week, because I can't get Open Office to open on my Mac. It's coming, honest.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew Apple must be to blame somehow.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I just remembered MARIA FULL OF GRACE... how wasn't that nominated?

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I pine.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Pollsters be lame.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Has this ended up in ILX poll purgatory? I was looking forward to seeing the results.

― musically (musically), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

stop bashing the ghostface album and ante up those results, woody!

― gear (gear), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope it is in purgatory! That way I can submit a ballot.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, go ahead and submit away. I promise to count these soon, but the beginning of baseball season and trying to figure out my taxes have taken precedence.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

No, honestly: how was MARIA FULL OF GRACE not nominated? It totally belongs in my top 10.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Sunday, 2 April 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Hello?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

keep dreamin'

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

"Never give up! Never surrender!"

(Oh, shoot that's the '90s.)

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I currently have no computer of my own and am trying to hold off until August or September, whenever the next iMac update comes along.

Will forward ballots to anyone willing to count them, though.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll do it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I was serious. E-mail me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

*whistles idly*

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 June 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

??????????????

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 11 September 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't see jaymc's offer. If he still wants, I'll forward the ballots to him.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I sent my ballot a few months ago; will be happy to oblige again.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i sent my ballot?

― gear (gear), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I have entirely changed all my opinions since this.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

So.....are we back on track?

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't see jaymc's offer. If he still wants, I'll forward the ballots to him.

Yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

man, i want to change my votes.

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

I have entirely changed all my opinions since this.

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

No, honestly: how was MARIA FULL OF GRACE not nominated? It totally belongs in my top 10.
-- Tape Store (theducttapeme...), April 2nd, 2006 6:48 AM.

WTF was I thinking? And my list would be completely different if we redid this as I've now seen twice as many 2000-2004 films as I had when we did this. So, what's going on with this?

― Tape Store, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

It was counted and finished.

― milo z, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, right.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Results

― Alba, Sunday, 1 April 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

HA. I actually remember seeing the results.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/doh.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/exclaim.jpg

― Tape Store, Monday, 2 April 2007 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

(thanks everyone)

― Tape Store, Monday, 2 April 2007 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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