Why is NPR so effing bad sometimes?

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Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

'Radio Rookies' is a total waste of airtime. But not as bad as Juan Williams' use of his interviewee this morning as pitcher for rapid-fire administration talking points.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

nothing can be worse than wait wait don't tell me

Uncledoj, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Wha? That's reasonably entertaining.. I wouldn't listen to it as an activity, but it's great to have on while doing other things..

Draw Tippy (Dave225), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

the unbelievably grating canned laughter after one of the commentators makes a horrible joke is just unlistenable. also bad: the awkard moment of silence after the joke and before they cue the canned laughter.

Uncledoj, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, it's taped in front of a live audience. Those are real laughing robots.

Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

'this I believe' is based on an old radio show.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't listened in a few years, but wait wait don't tell me was great when they had the right (and not the wrong) panelists

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's been established that ILX hates NPR. I'm all right with that.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I love NPR and still give money to an NPR affiliate in a city where I no longer live.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

um. i sometimes freelance for npr. please only throw very ripe tomatoes.

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i like much of npr.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's been established that ILX hates NPR. I'm all right with that.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), July 26th, 2005.

I listen to NPR all the time. There's some great stuff but it's very uneven. Of course I guess that makes sense since what I'm really hearing is a combination of WNYC programming, national NPR programming, and programming from various other affiliates.

The radio essays are the worst.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I like To the Point. I haven't listened in a while.

youn, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i listened to some fool talk about the Cheers bar in Boston and the concept of "belongingness" which culminated in him SINGING THE FUCKING LYRICS TO THE THEME SONG FROM CHEERS followed by them PLAYING THE THEME SONG FROM CHEERS and I wanted to drive my car into opposing traffic

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

An old guy did a "commentary" about he still drives an "old car" and about how no one can convince him to buy a "new car." What an eccentric!

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Or how about the woman who learned important life lessons from the Masai people who stayed in her house.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, do you all mean that a company largely funded by donations is panderin' to its donatin' base?

wotta development!

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

One thing I don't get about ILX is the NPR hate. I'd rather listen to some dorky wingnut spout off on Cheers than listen to professionally trained monkeys chatter on sparklingly for their corporate organ grinders. Call it the democrat in me.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, it's just the class-based/older-yuppie nattering that gets to people...

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I like NPR, generally. I like Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me a lot. So much that we are considering buying tickets and being one of the live audience laugh robots.

pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

it's because NPR has the potential to be (and often has been) great, that people criticize it so much these days, when it is slipping. or perhaps it's just that we have access to more sources of news - when you have the BBC, it doesn't always match up. i don't share in the rejection of NPR on grounds that yuppies/peoples' parents listen to it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't line NPR. Too tame, too inoffensive, too many sentences that start with "for example" like some Writes Upon Request essay, is very biased at times (in a recent programme they were discussing the problems with hybrid cars but didn't say anything positive about them through the whole segment), and I've only found myself amused and enlightened by it once thanks to some cheap joke anyone could make about not understanding Bob Dylan.
like, not line^ bad typo syndrome
i like it, for the most part. i think the yuppie snobbishness is ignorable considering the fact that other radio news is total garbage. i mean i'd love something that's not 'tame and inoffensive' but that doesn't really exist, in the car anyway.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i love wait wait don't tell me. peter segal is extremely clever and quick, and adam felber has got to be one of the funniest people i've ever heard.

all things considered considering things that aren't hard news = dud.

Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I listen to NPR all day every day.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, basically i do too. having lived in a foreign country for some years now, NPR streamed over the internet has been an important part of my life. not to be too dramatic or anything, but I'm genuinely thankful for NPR programming.

Spencer is one cool dude, I've concluded.

Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to listen to it all day when i worked at a park. it really made me sick after a while. i heard that segment that hurting was talking about, with the guy and his old car. that kind of thing kills me about npr, it's like, come on guys, who fucking cares. but there are things i really like about it, still. it's comforting.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

NPR often seems as if it is viewing the world from an airplane very high up in the sky, with a nice selection of drinks and canapes

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd rather listen to some dorky wingnut spout off on Cheers than listen to professionally trained monkeys chatter on sparklingly for their corporate organ grinders. Call it the democrat in me.

"Cheers" > NBC > General Electric. At least the callers to the show that I listen to the most are prattling on about a state-run university most of the time.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the voice of the woman who has a cooking show on the weekend. I think it's called "Good Food." I like the way she reads announcements.

youn, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Is CSPAN Radio, and their "Washington Journal," just a DC thing? I've been enjoying it lately as an alternative to the painfully precious worst of NPR. Washington Journal is like a mellow, good-natured NPR host taking calls from crazy delusionals on whatever topic the callers choose. Good stuff at times.

tobo (tobo), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to love CSpan Radio (but I really dislike call-in shows, C-Span or otherwise). I'm not sure where you can get it besides DC.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

NPR often seems as if it is viewing the world from an airplane very high up in the sky, with a nice selection of drinks and canapes

-- Tracer Hand (tracerhan...), July 27th, 2005.

"This is your captain Robert Siegel speaking. We have clear skies up here at our cruising altitude of 10,000 feet above war and famine."

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who can't stand "This American Life?"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know, but when "This American Life" is good, it can be utterly transfixing. The story of the tornado during prom was one of the most compelling things I've listened to.

I know a person who won't listen to TAL and described it as nerdy, grating people with nerdy, grating stories told in nerdy, grating voices. Seriously.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"tal" is only good if you have a car and a girlfriend.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed the one about the Iranian divorce that was patched up after the chauvenistic husband read Women are from Venus

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I have begun to find NPR's news to be so toothless and uninquisitive that I now listen to either Democracy Now! or the local conservo-talk BS in the morning. Either get the old heart rate up.

I think WWDTM might be the nearest thing to wit on US radio. I really could live without ever hearing Mo Rocca again tho. And there will come a point, sadly, when Karl Kastle is completely unintelligible, and will nonetheless still feature prominently.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno; having to listen to Pacifica and Democracy Now for several years while i was still at my college radio station pretty much put me off it for good.

morning drivetime for me is a bounce between NPR & Jerry Springer on Air America(along with Thom Hartmann's local portland show), and then to Howard when I get so mad I wanna put my fist thru the radio.

but yeah, Juan Williams', Mara Liasson's and Cokie Roberts' contributions to Morning Edition during the election pissed me off so much i spent a few months rarely listening to the show.

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

NPR often seems as if it is viewing the world from an airplane very high up in the sky, with a nice selection of drinks and canapes

I love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to be up late, so I like listening to the BBC early morning news before I go to bed. Then by the time I get up, the NPR morning stuff is over and WNYC has Brian Lehrer and Leonard Lopate on, I like those guys. The NPR news shows though, yeah, not so much anymore. I guess it's because I always already know the "news of the day" before "All Things Considered" comes on, and their feature/cultural reporting is pretty weak. I like "Marketplace" OK (which is actuall PRI, not NPR).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

tho "Talk of the Nation" is worthwhile maybe 2/3rds of the time*, and "Fresh Air" usually moreso.

*of course, the "Science Friday" eps aren't considered in the numbers here.

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

""tho "Talk of the Nation" is worthwhile maybe 2/3rds of the time*, and "Fresh Air" usually moreso""

Yeah, this is OTM. It's amazing how utterly personality-less Neil Conan manages to be. He's like Mister-super-polished-radio-talk-show-guy. Science Friday is often shockingly boring and occasionally interesting - I guess it fulfills NPR's science quota.

Juan Williams is horrible. I think he's only still around because of his previous contract to do Talk of the Nation. It seems he's being pushed further and further to the margins.

Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

ask me another is the worst, least funny, dumbest show on NPR

sent from my butt (harbl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link

Wait Wait ... Don't Tell Me! is also bad, insufficiently funny, and dumb

Who listens to these shows? Who are the studio audiences? Why do they exist?

Brad C., Sunday, 23 March 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link

people who 'like to have something on' but have refined sensibilities that make them need to feel that the thing that's on is somehow educative

j., Sunday, 23 March 2014 22:48 (ten years ago) link

i confess i have laughed at wait wait don't tell me. i definitely don't go out of my way to listen to it. i can't distinguish it from well what do you know? it's on in the car when the ride's not long enough to bother with spotify. they're both bad though and have no reason for existing. ask me another is just that kind of smug humor for yelpers and people who call themselves nerds. SO BAD AND HATED

sent from my butt (harbl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link

I kind of enjoy 'says you'

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 23 March 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link

there's also the 'trying to prove something' slow-talker who moves the tongue down and back while saying (and frequently emphasizing) words like THAT and BACK

it's innocuous but it gets on my nerves because it's so obviously a strategic choice

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link

my wife and i have a game where we try to describe what the various npr voices look like in person. does everybody have that super stiff nerdy guy who says "funding provided by the john d. & catherine t. macarthur foundation. this is npr."? we think he wears a bowtie and has super thick glasses

marcos, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:25 (ten years ago) link

haha

marcos, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link

one of my roommates is an asst. producer for WNYC. he's an alright guy, but he's the living embodiment of the NRP "thing": remarkably stiff, uptight, prudish, obsessed with conventional upper middle class conspicuous consumption (one of those turds who rambles on about designer coffee beans). i'm not sure if he's human or if i had a bad trip listening to 93.9 and he's a manifestation of a part of my psyche that detached from itself.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link

"The dinner party download" is such a terrible name for a show, it kind of enrages me whenever I hear the promos.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link

damn spectrum

j., Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link

i feel bad talking smack about the guy, his thing's his, i'm just amused i get to experience a human being who so perfectly captures the NPR experience for me.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link

a few months ago they started ending morning edition with a 30 second "lighter side" story, so now the prelude to every day's drudgery is Renee Montagne's forced laughter.

buh.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link

I think NPR could be vastly improved if they engaged in that business practice of just cutting the bottom 10% of features/programming/presenters every few months or so, like if they just surveyed listeners what there least favorite shit was and culled that every so often

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

Then we'd end up with the 24 hr Lake Woebegone comedy hour and I'd never hear the news again.

Only news, no funnies.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link

yeah, I'm pretty sure their most popular shows are ones like Wait Wait

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link

I fear I'm one of those likes to have something on people. But there really aren't a lot of options besides npr. Right wing radio? Traffic and weather together on the 8s?

― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

MUSIQUE!

when I was a kid I was taken to a taping of Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me. i didn't get it then, I don't get it now. they just sound like every other time I overhear a bunch of left-wing baby boomers having an elaborately self-congratulating conversation.

espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link

glad im not the only one with disdain for the cookie cutter smug sound alikes of planet money

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link

someday will i be old enough to understand why they don't just play tupac, how would that not be a public service

j., Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link

planet money sucks so bad. and i usually like people's accents from wherever but zoe chase is the WORST
ted radio hour is horrific
i like steve inskeep, he's the only one i like
have i mentioned how much i hate neda ulaby's voice also, probably on another thread. awfulllllll.

sent from my butt (harbl), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

there was a crazy Planet Money back in 2009 where one of the fools tried to go all hardman against Elizabeth Warren and had to apologize to the audience

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link

xps the most popular non-news show used to be car talk.

sleepingsignal, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link

TED Radio Hour is pretty hilarious because I can't believe it took so long to mash up NPR and TED into one terrible stew.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link

wut? zoe chase sounds cool like some degrassi high character, or earnest campus tour guide! Anyway I think she left to join some other show.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link

Lately I've been doing dishes to Doug henwood's podcasts, which are like a legit left antidote to planet money.

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link

One of the Sirius NPR stations does 8 hours of Car Talk a day, I just don't get it. Are there Deadhead-esque Car Talkers who really savor a 2002 CT show?

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, March 24, 2014 8:57 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

I sometimes let Car Talk episodes accumulate on my iPhone and then I mainline them all in one day

, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link

Thank goodness nobody was talking shit about Car Talk itt or I would have had to cut someone

, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link

NPR is the worst. I'd rather hear someone poop.

Jeff, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:38 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

markers, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:52 (ten years ago) link

click and clack make me want to hang myself. also, didn't that show end a long time ago and they're running reruns? I believe so

akm, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link

SABINE BEGALL: All people know dogs, and know that they are pooping.

1staethyr, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link

there's a show that comes on midmorning that's just a professor dude interviewing govt. officials/authors/artists etc. that's pretty good. just unedited long interviews, none of the bullshit extra flair. i just want pure data.

brimstead, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:45 (ten years ago) link

i assume most places have local programs like that on their npr affiliate?

brimstead, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link

xps yeah car talk ended in 2012. i love it and will always happily listen but it's depressing that many (most?) npr stations devote weekend primetime hours to the reruns.

fit and working again, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:41 (ten years ago) link

Wait what the hell? How do I still get new episodes on iTunes every week

, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:42 (ten years ago) link

you're getting the reruns.

fit and working again, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link

This is a terrible day. Terrible, terrible day

, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link

I listened to a lot of Diane Rehm after Dan Patrick left ESPN Radio, but I can't do it anymore - I just want her (or one of her guests) to call out the hacks and shills she has on 40% of the time. Nodding and going "fair enough" to oil lobbyists and conservative wackjobs kills me.

My local station has an early afternoon interview program called Think that I'll take over any of the national NPR shows - since they only get people travelling through the area (or willing to do a phone interview) the guests are more interesting than the usual tasteful subjects.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link

think out loud?

fit and working again, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:03 (ten years ago) link

http://www.kera.org/think/

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:38 (ten years ago) link

you probably have just listened to the same car talk 100s of times over and over again, it's so inane you didn't notice

akm, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:39 (ten years ago) link

xp ah the "early afternoon interview program" here is think out loud. it's good too.

fit and working again, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:48 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://mspmag.com/Out-And-About/Articles/Features/Season-of-the-Wits/

steve marsh considers the NPR JV team

have to say i find the show in question p much laugh-devoid

goole, Monday, 23 February 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

jeezus, WNYC's hourly slogan "Just keep listening" (wow, THAT was worth however many months the marketing dept spent thinking it up) is pronounced by an unidentified Scarlett Johansson. I guess some people really did like that Her movie.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 April 2015 04:00 (nine years ago) link

I'm sure she had her agent send a DVD of Her over when she auditioned for the gig.

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 17 April 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link

I've come around and like Zoe Chase now. Something softened in me and I now find her delivery endearing. Now I can't stand John Hockenberry and The Takeaway. Maybe it's because he sounds so much like Colbert that it makes it sound like he's taking the piss constantly, about any subject, serious or not. Difficult to sit through.

On a different note, still gutted at Bob Parlocha's death. Those will be hard shoes to fill. They still play the show through the night here, but I wonder how long that will last. Sigh.

andrew m., Friday, 17 April 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link

next slogan: "shut up and listen"

Vic Perry, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link

Popes, Supreme Court Judges & NPR Hosts.

The apparently lifetime appointment of Scott "The Fighting Quaker" Simon is reason enough to despise NPR. Even George Orwell didn't see this sensitive voiced slaughter apologist coming.

"There Are People Under Those Bombs," his Weekend Edition editorial from March 2003 explained - sounds like a sensitive title, right? - why it was more humane for people in Baghdad to die by bombing. Listen if you dare. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1242591

Compared to Fox News outright bloodlust, I find Simon's nuanced explanation far more sinister. As he soothingly says, "Humane and bombing may sound incongruous in the same sentence, but the United States and United Kingdom have said that it is possible to wage war against a bad regime for the sake of innocent people. The bombing we watch is a target of opportunity to demonstrate that they value the lives of innocent civilians as much as those of Iraqi commanders they seek to shock and awe into surrender."

"a target of opportunity." Guy saw the bright side of everything, you know?

But those were idealistic days. What did Scott learn in ten years?

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/07/219702819/when-weighing-intervention-in-syria-consider-the-children

The media push for war in Syria a couple years ago --- it didn't work & so was quickly forgotten --- will likely get somewhat more scrutiny now that an amazing story has hit the mass media:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2015/04/16/nbc-engel-kidnapping/25878771/

Vic Perry, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link


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