yeah, definitely otm re:Simmons. Tricky thing there is that Kiss is full of a-holes and there's no one regarded as the visionary or the the "soul" of the group.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
Gene is irrefutably a raging asshole, but he's not the business meister he asserts that he is (according to Paul Stanley's new memoir) and he CAN play capably. Peter Criss, however, is a crap musician and dragged proceedings down to a standstill.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link
Greg Ginn, esp of late
― MaresNest, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link
ding! ding! ding!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:23 (nine years ago) link
Anthony Kiedis
― badg, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:23 (nine years ago) link
the "untalented" rap Mike Love has
i don't like him much as a human being either, but dude could sing, and wrote some damn good lyrics too.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Tricky thing about this is some of these guys are the creative forces behind their band. Ginn is a monumental a-hole, but is really a Mike Love if he's the guy who set the artistic vision for his legendary group?
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
Props on the businessman thing, though; Ginn's rep as a thief is legendary.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
xposts i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
or the the "soul" of the group.
^closest thing is Ace
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, after posting that I realized I actually had no idea if one of the Kiss dudes was regarded as the spirit of the band, in the same way Keith is in the Stones.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
The way the Go-Go's got rid of Kathy Valentine makes them all seem like Mike Love.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way
― brio,
what he did to Nash and Stills in '76 and '82?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
A lesser known one of these is Derek Shulman in Gentle Giant. Wasn't the creative force, apparently called the shots, ended up an A&R guy - say no more.
― めんどくさい (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
Bun E. Carlos, apparently.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:59 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seriously? I thought Cheap Trick were chill dudes.
― brio, Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:00 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I did too, but http://www.rttnews.com/2183231/cheap-trick-countersue-bun-e-carlos.aspx
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
CT ousting Bun and putting Rick Nielsen's kid on drums Eddie Van Halen-style makes me think of Nielsen as the villain of the situation, unless something has come to light about the reason for the band's beef with Bun that i haven't heard
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
Birdman was the bad guy of Big Tymers
― nova, Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
tommy hall from 13th floor elevators owns this thread, i think. he turned roky on to heavy drugs, and now he's a hippie racist living in an SRO.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
and by all accounts he was a creep with delusions of grandeur.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
how the hell are Glenn Frey and/or Henley not the first names on this list
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
b/c everyone in the eagles was the bad guy in the band?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Bob Markley from The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band? If we're talking creeps with delusions of grandeur, which admittedly describes about 95% of musicians.
― めんどくさい (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Being from Cheap Trick's hometown, I try to follow these kind of things. As far as I can tell, the other members of Cheap Trick realized they could pay a young guy replacing Bun E. Carlos a lot less, so that's exactly what they did.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Also Bun E. Carlos may have sued his bandmates, at no point in the band's history did that that guy call the shots.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
lol at the related stories on the Cheap Trick upthread
Neal Schon Says Steve Perry Wanted Journey To 'Sit Still And Not Do Anything'Gene Simmons Calls Peter Criss And Ace Frehley 'Losers'KISS Sued By Eric Carr's Family'Seinfeld' Actor John Pinette Dead At 50Aerosmith Drummer Says Axl Rose Is Holding GNR Fans 'Hostage'Ginger Baker Says The Rolling Stones And The Who Are Bad MusiciansAce Frehley Responds To Gene SimmonsAce Frehley Criticizes Paul Stanley's Hall Of Fame Induction Speech
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
supposedly the saxophone player california raisin was a real prick
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbf, Daxx had done a fair amount of session playing prior to joining Trick.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
I had no idea Bun had been ousted from CT. Does that mean ZZ Top is the longest-lasting major rock band with its original lineup intact?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link
Cheap Trick replaced Tom Petersson back in the 80s iirc
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
According to ZZ Top's website, yes.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
i vote for mel lyman. he made everyone in the jug band do weird shit. and he started a cult. proximity to musical jugs in the 60's was just a bad idea apparently.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/moxievision/mel.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:55 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah Wolfgang Van Halen might be an unfair comparison in some respects but i still think there's something icky about that.
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
can you blame him for wanting to stay currant?
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
^the guy is a fucking grape musician
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
Neal Schon Says Steve Perry Wanted Journey To 'Sit Still And Not Do Anything'
Steve Perry otm
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
lol
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:35 (nine years ago) link
Truly insane Mel Lyman article by Kliph Nesteroff: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2011/03/the-mel-lyman-personality-cult-revisited.html
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:41 (nine years ago) link
plus, he wasn't the leader or lead force in the jug band but he had a lot of ideas about world domination. thus, he is mike love.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link
J Mascis in the 90s
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
cleese and idle
― the only thing worse than being tweeted about (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
On March 19, 2010, Cheap Trick issued a statement that Carlos is not the current touring drummer for Cheap Trick but that he still remains a band member. Cheap Trick guitarist Rick Nielsen's son Daxx was named in the statement as the touring drummer.[3] Carlos had previously suffered from back problems, the recovery and treatment of which had caused him to miss portions of some Cheap Trick tours. However, Carlos has repeatedly stated that he is healthy. He has also stated that he hasn't heard from the band "in a couple years" and that "maybe we’ll kiss and make up".
In 2013, Carlos filed a lawsuit against his former bandmates, claiming that even though they claim that he is still a band member, he is not being allowed to participate in band-related activities, including recording a new album. The remaining three members of Cheap Trick filed a countersuit, seeking an official affirmation of their removal of Carlos. Their lawsuit was thrown out by a Delaware judge in late 2013. [4]
If he's missing road time because of his back, I could understand them wanting a more reliable drummer for tours. But apparently he's getting the total freeze out.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
Some Tinted Windows jealousy up that, no doubt.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
Glenn and Don as Evil Eagles Axis.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
Bob Mould in Husker Du.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
YES
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
Eazy Muthaphuckin' E
― The Reverend, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
haha oh man totally
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:43 (nine years ago) link
eazy e is a great call
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
so basically being the mike love of a band means being the band's resident republican, is that it?
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
they have to be relatively talent-less too imo
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
and kind of driven and bitter and charmless
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link