The "bad guy" in the band: who are the other Mike Loves in music?

you can live a very happy and wonderful life without owning a jack bruce solo album. man, i even tried to like all those kip hanrahan albums he is on. blah....

clapton is easy: yardbirds stuff, disraeli gears, layla, blind faith. voila, you are done.

I like the title track from Frank Zappa's Apostrophe that Jack Bruce plays on

and to be honest you can get away without owning clapton yardbirds stuff. they were way better after he left.

and if there was a great audiophile-quality 12 inch of "can't find my home" you could do without blind faith too.

disraeli gears is solid though. and it has sunshine of your love which was their only undeniably great song. not like you ever need to hear it again, but just in case...

Gene Simmons is obviously the king of fairly talentless business-minded asshole bass players

many xpps

who also doesn't describe himself as a "musician" iirc

yeah, definitely otm re:Simmons. Tricky thing there is that Kiss is full of a-holes and there's no one regarded as the visionary or the the "soul" of the group.

Gene is irrefutably a raging asshole, but he's not the business meister he asserts that he is (according to Paul Stanley's new memoir) and he CAN play capably. Peter Criss, however, is a crap musician and dragged proceedings down to a standstill.

Greg Ginn, esp of late

ding! ding! ding!

Anthony Kiedis

the "untalented" rap Mike Love has

i don't like him much as a human being either, but dude could sing, and wrote some damn good lyrics too.

Tricky thing about this is some of these guys are the creative forces behind their band. Ginn is a monumental a-hole, but is really a Mike Love if he's the guy who set the artistic vision for his legendary group?

Props on the businessman thing, though; Ginn's rep as a thief is legendary.

xposts i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way

or the the "soul" of the group.

^closest thing is Ace

Yeah, after posting that I realized I actually had no idea if one of the Kiss dudes was regarded as the spirit of the band, in the same way Keith is in the Stones.

The way the Go-Go's got rid of Kathy Valentine makes them all seem like Mike Love.

i guess triad just creeps me out because it's david crosby trying to talk you into a 3-way

― brio,

what he did to Nash and Stills in '76 and '82?

A lesser known one of these is Derek Shulman in Gentle Giant. Wasn't the creative force, apparently called the shots, ended up an A&R guy - say no more.

Bun E. Carlos, apparently.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:59 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously? I thought Cheap Trick were chill dudes.

― brio, Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:00 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did too, but http://www.rttnews.com/2183231/cheap-trick-countersue-bun-e-carlos.aspx

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

CT ousting Bun and putting Rick Nielsen's kid on drums Eddie Van Halen-style makes me think of Nielsen as the villain of the situation, unless something has come to light about the reason for the band's beef with Bun that i haven't heard

Birdman was the bad guy of Big Tymers

tommy hall from 13th floor elevators owns this thread, i think. he turned roky on to heavy drugs, and now he's a hippie racist living in an SRO.

and by all accounts he was a creep with delusions of grandeur.

how the hell are Glenn Frey and/or Henley not the first names on this list

b/c everyone in the eagles was the bad guy in the band?

Bob Markley from The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band? If we're talking creeps with delusions of grandeur, which admittedly describes about 95% of musicians.

Being from Cheap Trick's hometown, I try to follow these kind of things. As far as I can tell, the other members of Cheap Trick realized they could pay a young guy replacing Bun E. Carlos a lot less, so that's exactly what they did.

Also Bun E. Carlos may have sued his bandmates, at no point in the band's history did that that guy call the shots.

lol at the related stories on the Cheap Trick upthread

Neal Schon Says Steve Perry Wanted Journey To 'Sit Still And Not Do Anything'
Gene Simmons Calls Peter Criss And Ace Frehley 'Losers'
KISS Sued By Eric Carr's Family
'Seinfeld' Actor John Pinette Dead At 50
Aerosmith Drummer Says Axl Rose Is Holding GNR Fans 'Hostage'
Ginger Baker Says The Rolling Stones And The Who Are Bad Musicians
Ace Frehley Responds To Gene Simmons
Ace Frehley Criticizes Paul Stanley's Hall Of Fame Induction Speech

supposedly the saxophone player california raisin was a real prick

CT ousting Bun and putting Rick Nielsen's kid on drums Eddie Van Halen-style makes me think of Nielsen as the villain of the situation, unless something has come to light about the reason for the band's beef with Bun that i haven't heard

― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf, Daxx had done a fair amount of session playing prior to joining Trick.

I had no idea Bun had been ousted from CT. Does that mean ZZ Top is the longest-lasting major rock band with its original lineup intact?

Cheap Trick replaced Tom Petersson back in the 80s iirc

According to ZZ Top's website, yes.

i vote for mel lyman. he made everyone in the jug band do weird shit. and he started a cult. proximity to musical jugs in the 60's was just a bad idea apparently.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/moxievision/mel.jpg

tbf, Daxx had done a fair amount of session playing prior to joining Trick.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:55 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah Wolfgang Van Halen might be an unfair comparison in some respects but i still think there's something icky about that.

supposedly the saxophone player california raisin was a real prick

can you blame him for wanting to stay currant?

supposedly the saxophone player california raisin was a real prick

^the guy is a fucking grape musician

Neal Schon Says Steve Perry Wanted Journey To 'Sit Still And Not Do Anything'

Steve Perry otm

lol

Truly insane Mel Lyman article by Kliph Nesteroff: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2011/03/the-mel-lyman-personality-cult-revisited.html

plus, he wasn't the leader or lead force in the jug band but he had a lot of ideas about world domination. thus, he is mike love.

J Mascis in the 90s

cleese and idle

On March 19, 2010, Cheap Trick issued a statement that Carlos is not the current touring drummer for Cheap Trick but that he still remains a band member. Cheap Trick guitarist Rick Nielsen's son Daxx was named in the statement as the touring drummer.[3] Carlos had previously suffered from back problems, the recovery and treatment of which had caused him to miss portions of some Cheap Trick tours. However, Carlos has repeatedly stated that he is healthy. He has also stated that he hasn't heard from the band "in a couple years" and that "maybe we’ll kiss and make up".

In 2013, Carlos filed a lawsuit against his former bandmates, claiming that even though they claim that he is still a band member, he is not being allowed to participate in band-related activities, including recording a new album. The remaining three members of Cheap Trick filed a countersuit, seeking an official affirmation of their removal of Carlos. Their lawsuit was thrown out by a Delaware judge in late 2013. [4]

If he's missing road time because of his back, I could understand them wanting a more reliable drummer for tours. But apparently he's getting the total freeze out.

Some Tinted Windows jealousy up that, no doubt.

Glenn and Don as Evil Eagles Axis.