Like you don't get this kind of worldview coming out of getting sand kicked in your face alone, it's more the rage that results from feeling entitled to alpha status and then getting sand kicked in your face.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
yup
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
And to cross reference that with the "men's rights" stuff, it's not unlike "I'm a *nice* and *intelligent* guy and yet hot babes are not throwing themselves at my feet like they are supposed to. Therefore women are defective and dangerous and I must use 'techniques' to disarm and conquer them."
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
is there an app for that
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link
i'm really skeptical of 'just a thwarted nerd' type explanations. some people just end up believing this kind of shit for reasons that aren't readily explicable. in many cases it doesn't appear to be true.
― goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:24 (nine years ago) link
yeah 'chicks just didn't want him and he's not successful' doesn't explain peter thiel very well
― iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
will plain ole megalomania do.
― ryan, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
i think it's a more basic failure to grasp that economic and social processes/developments/problems/etc are not governed by clearly delineated causal relationships. and that there is not a predictable utopia that is being stymied by the unpredictable urges of the irrational human heart.
the cliché explanation for this is that hey these dudes are coders and computers do what you tell them and garbage in garbage out etc etc. maybe it is more an incomplete understanding of the human soul? and the truth of the yawning black chasm of despair that is existence? that there is no app that can stave off the darkness forever? idk man
― adam, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
'shitty paypal founder and devout gay catholic wanted everyone to drop out of college' is the obit in my head for peter thiel(i mean shitty paypal founder to mean paypal is shitty, not necessarily that thiel is shitty any more than being responsible for shitty paypal)
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
it's mostly ebay's fault
― iatee, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
there does seem to be a mentality of thinking of the problems of the world as something you can code for, like I have this one pretty successful silicon valley friend who likes to say stuff like "that depends on what you want to optimize for" wrt policy questions.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link
inputs go in, outputs go out, you've just got to optimize. tell me your variables.
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
One day in March of this year, a Google engineer named Justine Tunney created a strange and ultimately doomed petition at the White House website. The petition proposed a three-point national referendum, as follows:1. Retire all government employees with full pensions.
1. Retire all government employees with full pensions.
i'm cool with this
― go to evangelical agonizing eternal hell (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
that lady is a complete fucking nut, btw
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
otm
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
I do think that the thread title is off a bit(it makes me think more of transhumanists or cyberpunk-fetishists) since the tone of these guys seems to be bits & pieces of wanting totalitarianism or even some sorta anarcho-corporatism. Not fascism quite yet, but certainly shit that can lead to proto-fascism once violence enters the situation.
I think the inflation/deflation aspect is a key bit to it. Like, the real world is complicated and fucked up and you're kinda sorta sold a bill of goods by authority figures a about what adulthood actually will be v. what you wind up in 15 years after adolescence.
I get the sense that a lot of these guys are pretty much victims, with a high intelligence stat but a correspondingly low wisdom stat. Being really smart but not getting how that doesn't solve everything and can be a hindrance. Its that gap that breeds the intense anger and alienation.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 22 May 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
lol cyberpunk was all about dystopianism
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
there's also a strong overlap, I would wager, between this group and those that think wearing google glass everywhere is a great idea
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:10 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right but cyberpunk ~fetishists~ are people who can't wait to jack into their decks so they can have outsized power and information
not so far from these nerds imo
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
I mean, the baffler piece makes the point that they don't really want utopianism but embrace what seems like a blade runner world without the chinese people. blade runner sure as hell wasn't a utopia... from my standpoint. this despotic, oligarchic vision seems to be "utopia and all the freedom and information for me, shitty gutter with my leftover circuit boards for you"
fuckin' ayn rand fetishists, thinking that the disadvantaged or "less meritous" deserve what they get, good and hard
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
hi tech lowlife
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
your faulty code is not my problem, if you've got enough money we got some patches you can try.
― playback in metal position (Hunt3r), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
can't wait for a movement populated by people allergic to brands.i guess the naomi klein thing happened but i mean literally allergic to brands.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
are brands a gluten?
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link
thread of brand shaming
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
" don't really want utopianism but embrace what seems like a blade runner world without the chinese people. "
some of these guys really like the chinese state! land in particular
it's an authoritarian state run by engineers hell bent on getting rich as quickly as possible, what's not to love
― goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
true, there are multiple stripes of badness here
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
yeah they're big on how little they agree on things (while the prof left is a huge monolith of conformity etc etc)
― goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
*prog left
― goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
yeah, unified front on the left, for sure
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
" don't really want utopianism but embrace what seems like a blade runner world without the chinese people. "some of these guys really like the chinese state! land in particular
right, I think Singapore, Hong Kong are the promising models for some of them - and from what I've seen the "racial realism" end of the dark enlightenment/mencius moldbug crowd throw around NAM as an acronym for the ppl they want out of their dictatorships – "non-asian minorites"
― woof, Thursday, 22 May 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link
they are other-ing the hell out of people, aren't they?
― a strange man (mh), Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
i'd be more willing to discount it if these weren't people with money, political fever dreams, and the ability to build & destory things― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:11 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:11 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This seems completely otm to me – techno-libertarianism maybe has the money, connections, technical accomplishment, power to fuck up a lot of the decent bits of the state & society in the future. Probably just enough of those things to implement a really miserable, corrupt and half-arsed version of its Utopia in a muddled alliance with the old right.
― woof, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
To be clear: techno-libertarian utopia = shit, robot cars, people starving on the streets; half-arsed version = probably even shitter, robot car companies sueing the starving people they run over on the streets.
― woof, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
techno-montessori schools?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
kids making their own beats at their own pace, discovering new filters
― j., Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
808fasciststate
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
ok, i take it back, it's all ok if Thiel is like
http://www.me.gr/m/photos/get_image/file/c4a5ed918dd0eb0c058b5cfa95afc85d.jpg
― woof, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
forwarded this link with subject: "smug silicon valley shits want to create a randian/fascist utopia" which is pretty much all i can really think to say about this
― building a desert (art), Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
what is that gatefold from??
― display name changed. (amateurist), Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link
prodigy - music for the jilted generation
― brimstead, Saturday, 24 May 2014 01:00 (nine years ago) link
I think there's something about the combination of ego inflation AND deflation that they experience -- one world telling them they are geniuses and another telling them they are losers at the same time
Interestingly enough the thesis of Amy Chua's follow-up book was that this combo was at the root of Jewish-Chinese greatness
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 24 May 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link
on second thought that's not actually that interesting
i, for one, welcome our asshole-technofascist overlords.
― playback in metal position (Hunt3r), Saturday, 24 May 2014 02:36 (nine years ago) link
http://recode.net/2014/03/15/marc-andreessens-latest-tweetathon-naughty-fun-leads-to-ruined-lives-in-anonymous-apps/
this ding-dong has this sweet new bulleted point twitter rant style that seems pretty indicative of the dystopian trend
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 13:57 (nine years ago) link
http://supost.com/post/index/129734920
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link
This may not be the right place if you:
already seen this list republished about twenty times on twitter
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link
is that a suggestion to add to their list?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
hah, sure!
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
Could you live in Startup Castle?
but this is a good place for it as well
― sleeve, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link
"go out and steal some bootstraps"
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:24 (one hour ago) link
That's about an hour and 15 min from where I live, it's definitely rural. Idk, I grew up in rural WI too before high school. I don't really begrudge someone being mad about it if they had a tough time, it can be real rough out there.
(obv not defending this dude otherwise, I don't know anything about him and given that he's a billionaire he has a high chance of being a terrible person)
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:29 (one hour ago) link
"unaddressed middle school trauma that turns someone into a terrible person" is prob a defining characteristic of many billionaires tbh
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:37 (fifty-five minutes ago) link
it just turned me into an angry, poor radical leftist.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:45 (forty-seven minutes ago) link
<3 a testament to your innate goodness
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:49 (forty-three minutes ago) link
(not that goodness pays the bills, I hear that part)
cant help but think that in some cultures marc andreessen wouldve been buried in a bog
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:51 (forty-one minutes ago) link