but he seems like a nice enough guy?
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
I dont think Weir was one of the "keeping it together" guys, in fact he got canned a couple times in the early days for pinheaded behavior. He wrote some great songs, but he wasnt any kind of leader of that crew.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
crosbyhttp://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/david-crosby-birthday-august-14-c.jpg
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Most hated person by far in Deadhead fan circles is Donna.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
Crosby owns this thread. Along with Robertson.
Btw, I recommend reading Johnny Ramone's memoir Commando if you want some insight into the mind of a total shit. The lack of self-awareness is so complete that he doesn't cover up any of his awful behaviour. He's proud of it.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:39 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dee Dee didn't really represent himself very well in his books either.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
both johnny and deedee's books come across, at least partly, as schtick.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
i only have a problem with mike love when i have to see pictures/video footage of him. and all the latter-day awful live cheerleading he did with john friggin' stamos or whoever. he just LOOKS like such a jerk. but he has never lessened my enjoyment of the beach boys. i don't really pay too close attention to who does what on their albums. or even who is singing. bob weir has definitely lessened my enjoyment of the dead. i like some of his songs but most of them are nowhere near as good as hunter/garcia stuff and his voice has always been really annoying/not great. but, like i said, he seems like an okay guy. jerry always thought he was a great "original" rhythm guitarist but i think they could have almost any good guitarist playing with them and if anything they would have sounded better if someone else had been playing. i definitely think bob was the sloppy x factor.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
that woman in bardo pond is kinda my donna & bob rolled up into one hippie with a flute. can't listen to that band because of her and i really like them otherwise! she ruins the experience for me. they totally would have been one of my favorite jam bands if she wasn't in the band. sad, i know. or mean. she's probably really nice. that violin though....ugh...
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
DON: A lot of critics, they think Glenn and I are "bad guys" *makes scare quoes with fingers*. But really if a band is a car, two guys gotta sit in the front. Those two guys in the Eagles are Glenn and myself. It would've have worked any other way.
GLENN: If two chicks had sat in the front seat, I an think of several ways we could work it.
DON: Well, yeah.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
it's complicated in that he is also sort of the protagonist, but everybody else from Talking Heads sure seems to dislike David Byrne
― struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
Dean Wareham in Galaxie 500? Though I find him kind of likable these days.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
great eagles quote. frey really pitches in to lift henley's prickishness to another level there.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
what are the counter-examples, the good guys in bands of dicks? I always think of Gene Clark as the good guy of the byrds, but that's probably just because i like his stuff the most. maybe he was a dick too.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
Byrne, Wareham are principal songwriters & musicians - something Mike Love never was. Feel like anybody who is that much of a creative leader of the band doesn't really qualify.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
First: that Mike Love article is incredible.
I'm curious how many other examples there are where the dynamics play out like this--with the guy who handles the business of the band and is the asshole enforcer. A lot of times it is the main guy in the band--the David Byrne example, Jeff Tweedy kicking Jay Bennett out of Wilco by saying "a circle can have only one center," and then turning over the a huge chunk of his band's "personnel" 6-7 years into their existence.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
I don't think anyone in Slint or the music-loving public at large considers him an asshole on any level, but Brian McMahan plays a role like this in Slint. The Spiderland 33 1/3 book basically paints him as an intense perfectionist that picked apart each component of their music obsessively until it met a certain standard of quality. But he's not necessarily the one with the chops or the ideas--that was Walford and Pajo.
And that recent Guardian article basically said he quit and imploded the band because there was no way this would ever be sustainable from the business/making-a-basic-living end.
That said, there is no evidence that he's an asshole on any level, or that the rest of the band resented him.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
So he doesn't fit, so maybe he's just an example of that role on a smaller, non-asshole level.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
fwiw yeah og post article is one of my favorite things Bagge ever did, had the accompanying drawing of Mike Love on the wall in our rehearsal space for a longtime, v motivating
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
altho the image in that link cuts off the "Motherfucker" on his t-shirt!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
Definitely fans of early- to mid-period Wilco and Jay Bennett partisans viewed Tweedy as a Mike Love-figure.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Ginger Baker even though he's my favorite player in Cream. Does Sharon Osbourne count?
― DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
that Mike Love article is incredible.
yeah thanks for posting that. surprised it hasn't appeared here before.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
I've referenced it, but it wasn't available online for a long time
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
but he has never lessened my enjoyment of the beach boys.
I honestly can't stand the sound of Mike Love's voice. You get these ethereal harmonies and then Mike steps in with his flat nasal bah-bah-bah's.
― pplains, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
I dig Mike Love for ruining the Beach Boys
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
Cream might be 3-Mike Love band, but that Ginger Baker doc definitely makes the argument for him as king prick. I love the part when he just starts showing up at Blind Faith practices and they're all to scared of him to not let him in the band.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
what a disaster for beach boys
― goole, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
feel like Lou Reed deserves a mention here for persecuting John Cale throughout the latter's time in the VU
― goth colouring book (anagram), Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
The other guy from Supertramp, the one with the lower voice.
― pplains, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
Andrew Eldritch is the Mike Love of the Sisters of Mercy
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
what would be the Supergroup of all Mike Loves?
Mike Love - lead vocalsRobbie Robertson - lead guitar, vocalsJohnny Ramone - rhythm guitarGinger Baker - drums
are there no hated bass players?
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Crosby could play bass actually
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Gotta be McCartney, right? Not a perfect fit given creative input, but tbh Johnny Ramine seems pretty creatively crucial to the ramones.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
Paul McCartney - bass
xpost!
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
Definitely the dickies taskmaster of the Beatles, seems more business-minded as well
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure Ginger wouldn't be thrilled with Crosby's bass work since he basically said Jack Bruce sucked once he switched to electric bass.
― DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
Dickish, I mean
Baker Ramone Love McCartney Army
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
God that'd be a terrible band
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
is Billy Corgan a Mike Love?
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
David Crosby was too high to be much of a problem to his bandmates. Stephen Stills, however, was exactly high enough to be a terrible problem to his bandmates.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
Also Joey DeMaio or Peter Steele for asshole bassist in the asshole supergroup.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
xp crosby was an egomaniac and agitator who played a big part in driving gene out of the band.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
OK, fair enough on the Byrds. But CSN(Y) was a different story.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
Billy Corgan doesn't fit, now that i think about it. You can't be the undisputed leader of a band and be a Mike Love. Need to be a pretender to the throne, more of a pre-torture Theon Greyjoy-type to be a Mike Love. Corgan's more of a Joffrey.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
xp billy corgan is a brian wilson & a mike love
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
xps yeah i nominated crosby purely for his time in the byrds.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Lindsey Buckingham is the only member of Fleetwood Mac who isn't a Mike Love
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Gene Simmons should actually be the bass player in The Mike Loves.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
it is not that great
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
tho I do think he made the most of it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
Aruba, Jamaica, ooo I wanna take ya; Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/NzRf8Kx3AsrXa/giphy.gif
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
Hah. Left to right: L: Mike Love; R: Mike Love.
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
He sits behind his microphone: Johnny CarsonHe speaks in such a manly tone: Johnny Carson
Ed McMahon comes on and says "Here's Johnny"Every night at 11:30 he's so funny
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
^^^possibly the best song on "Love You" (not written by Mike tho)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
So. In the movie "Frank," Domhnall Gleeson's character joins an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius.
He proceeds to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members.
Guess who else joined an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius, then proceeded to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members?
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 14 October 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
Anyone care to opine on who was the Mike Love of the New York Dolls?
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 14 October 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
John Stamos? (xp)
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:04 (six years ago) link