Jon Anderson
― めんどくさい (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
Bun E. Carlos, apparently.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
Seriously? I thought Cheap Trick were chill dudes.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
I did too, but http://www.rttnews.com/2183231/cheap-trick-countersue-bun-e-carlos.aspx
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
feel like there's mike love in a combination of bono and clayton
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
or maybe U2 is just mike love: the band
Robbie Robertson, Gene Simmons, Eddie Van Halen
there's an interesting KISS article in a recent Rolling Stone in which Ace & Peter suggest Paul is the actual evil mastermind in Kiss ala Dick Cheney.
― Darin, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
a la Keyser Soze, the limp being his guitar playing
― めんどくさい (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
wow, would take some doing to secretly be a bigger dick than gene simmons.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
RZA, according to Raekwon, but to me it goes both ways.
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
George Clinton, kinda - self-professed non musician, ringleader, notorious business manager. altho he seems way more lovable and fun than Mike Love and actually had great ideas.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
I can see how maybe Paul Stanley is only a dick within the band, whereas Simmons is a dick throughout the rest of the world.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
Fogerty
don't think this is right, given that he wrote literally all the music
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
xps: Were Bootsy Collins and Maceo Parker all like, "I can't believe how badly George screwed up the band"?
― how's life, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
I really don't know much about PFunk history.
― how's life, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
It's the bullying of more fragile members that sets Mike Love and Johnny Ramone apart. Really vile behaviour.
lol at the suggestion that John Fogerty was a cold-hearted businessman. If only.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
iirc, Stu and Doug had been hounding Fogerty about having more creative input. So Fogerty called their bluff and said, fine, each of you write a third of the new album. They complained about being forced to do that, the songs sucked, and that was the end of CCR.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
re: Bootsy and Maceo - there were definitely serious fights about money and credits and publishing, not so much creatively I don't think.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
yup Tarfumes is right. end of CCR is so sad.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
http://www.depeche-mode.ru/media/photos/depechemode_010.jpg
― piscesx, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Wayne Coyne
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:38 (nine years ago) link
Btw, I recommend reading Johnny Ramone's memoir Commando if you want some insight into the mind of a total shit. The lack of self-awareness is so complete that he doesn't cover up any of his awful behaviour. He's proud of it.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
the only non-JF post-CCR song i enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-pbsXBe24
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd488/sallylu1/harrisonband.png
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
and it ain't that great...
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
fyi: this is not a good album.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Doug-clifford-solo-album-cover.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
Lars Ulrich.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
Doesn't everybody seem to hate on Bob Weir in the G.Dead threads?
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
bob is good cuz he is arguably the least talented member and he had a lot of the input and was the vocal presence on so much. a la mike.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
but he seems like a nice enough guy?
I dont think Weir was one of the "keeping it together" guys, in fact he got canned a couple times in the early days for pinheaded behavior. He wrote some great songs, but he wasnt any kind of leader of that crew.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
crosbyhttp://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/david-crosby-birthday-august-14-c.jpg
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Most hated person by far in Deadhead fan circles is Donna.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
Crosby owns this thread. Along with Robertson.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:39 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dee Dee didn't really represent himself very well in his books either.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
both johnny and deedee's books come across, at least partly, as schtick.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
i only have a problem with mike love when i have to see pictures/video footage of him. and all the latter-day awful live cheerleading he did with john friggin' stamos or whoever. he just LOOKS like such a jerk. but he has never lessened my enjoyment of the beach boys. i don't really pay too close attention to who does what on their albums. or even who is singing. bob weir has definitely lessened my enjoyment of the dead. i like some of his songs but most of them are nowhere near as good as hunter/garcia stuff and his voice has always been really annoying/not great. but, like i said, he seems like an okay guy. jerry always thought he was a great "original" rhythm guitarist but i think they could have almost any good guitarist playing with them and if anything they would have sounded better if someone else had been playing. i definitely think bob was the sloppy x factor.
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
that woman in bardo pond is kinda my donna & bob rolled up into one hippie with a flute. can't listen to that band because of her and i really like them otherwise! she ruins the experience for me. they totally would have been one of my favorite jam bands if she wasn't in the band. sad, i know. or mean. she's probably really nice. that violin though....ugh...
― scott seward, Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
DON: A lot of critics, they think Glenn and I are "bad guys" *makes scare quoes with fingers*. But really if a band is a car, two guys gotta sit in the front. Those two guys in the Eagles are Glenn and myself. It would've have worked any other way.
GLENN: If two chicks had sat in the front seat, I an think of several ways we could work it.
DON: Well, yeah.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
it's complicated in that he is also sort of the protagonist, but everybody else from Talking Heads sure seems to dislike David Byrne
― struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Thursday, 22 May 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
Dean Wareham in Galaxie 500? Though I find him kind of likable these days.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
great eagles quote. frey really pitches in to lift henley's prickishness to another level there.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
what are the counter-examples, the good guys in bands of dicks? I always think of Gene Clark as the good guy of the byrds, but that's probably just because i like his stuff the most. maybe he was a dick too.
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
Byrne, Wareham are principal songwriters & musicians - something Mike Love never was. Feel like anybody who is that much of a creative leader of the band doesn't really qualify.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
First: that Mike Love article is incredible.
I'm curious how many other examples there are where the dynamics play out like this--with the guy who handles the business of the band and is the asshole enforcer. A lot of times it is the main guy in the band--the David Byrne example, Jeff Tweedy kicking Jay Bennett out of Wilco by saying "a circle can have only one center," and then turning over the a huge chunk of his band's "personnel" 6-7 years into their existence.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
I don't think anyone in Slint or the music-loving public at large considers him an asshole on any level, but Brian McMahan plays a role like this in Slint. The Spiderland 33 1/3 book basically paints him as an intense perfectionist that picked apart each component of their music obsessively until it met a certain standard of quality. But he's not necessarily the one with the chops or the ideas--that was Walford and Pajo.
And that recent Guardian article basically said he quit and imploded the band because there was no way this would ever be sustainable from the business/making-a-basic-living end.
That said, there is no evidence that he's an asshole on any level, or that the rest of the band resented him.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
So he doesn't fit, so maybe he's just an example of that role on a smaller, non-asshole level.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
fwiw yeah og post article is one of my favorite things Bagge ever did, had the accompanying drawing of Mike Love on the wall in our rehearsal space for a longtime, v motivating
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
altho the image in that link cuts off the "Motherfucker" on his t-shirt!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
Definitely fans of early- to mid-period Wilco and Jay Bennett partisans viewed Tweedy as a Mike Love-figure.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Ginger Baker even though he's my favorite player in Cream. Does Sharon Osbourne count?
― DavidLeeRoth, Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
"The keyboard player and bassist in Soul Coughing, if M Doughty is to believed."
Mark Degli Antoni or Steinberg or both?
Antoni did a great solo album at some point which I think is arguably more interesting than anything SC or Doughty ever did.
― akm, Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link
"if M Doughty is to be believed" is the part where i'd start asking questions tbh
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
Well, he wrote this book much of which was devoted to detailing how generally awful all of his colleagues in SC treated him, the keys and bass guys came off worse.
How true it is of course possibly nobody can truthfully answer.
― MaresNest, Friday, 13 October 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar
i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks and Blur still come off worse in that video
― pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 October 2017 01:15 (six years ago) link
he just exists in a world of what the fuck is wrong with you people? to me and still comes off as a reasonable human being compared to Blur
― pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 October 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:17 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not that this excuses his behavior at all, but dude was up all night the night before doing so much blow & was coming down hard when Nard came in. again it is completely unacceptable to be anything but deferential to Nardwuar no matter the circumstances. at least Thurston & Lee atoned in 2002.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 October 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks
the second part of this statement is especially insane
Soul Coughing is an interesting example. Steinberg and De Gli Antoni both come off pretty poorly in the book, but the not-so-hidden subtext there is that all four of them were assholes. To some extent Doughty would be good candidate for this thread, if not for the fact that he never really got his way in the band. For all the complaining he does in the book, if you read it and then listen to his CD of Soul Coughing "covers" (idk if they count as covers if he wrote them in the first place) you could make an argument that Doughty would've single-handedly ruined the band and torpedoed their chance at commercial success if he had full reigns over the band. Not to mention the fact that he was (by his own admission) fucked up all the time, was often late to the studio, and half-assed pretty much everything as the band went on.
― frogbs, Friday, 13 October 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link
someone mentioned Spiral Stairs way upthread and there was no discussion but i think he has a lot of the qualities. maybe not all, but definitely a few.
― alpine static, Friday, 13 October 2017 08:22 (six years ago) link
SM is such a cock though
― rip van wanko, Friday, 13 October 2017 09:44 (six years ago) link
Dave Grohl in ways
― rip van wanko, Friday, 13 October 2017 09:46 (six years ago) link
Phill Judd
― PaulTMA, Friday, 13 October 2017 11:47 (six years ago) link
Matt Sharp
― PaulTMA, Friday, 13 October 2017 11:48 (six years ago) link
Bev Bevan
― PaulTMA, Friday, 13 October 2017 11:51 (six years ago) link
Brian Ritchie
― PaulTMA, Friday, 13 October 2017 11:53 (six years ago) link
Stewart Copeland?
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 12:47 (six years ago) link
would be hard to be worse than Sting tbh
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 13 October 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
yea I don't see how Copeland fits here. Sting doesn't really either, he wrote like 80% of the band's material and 100% of their hits.
― frogbs, Friday, 13 October 2017 13:06 (six years ago) link
well he wrote the lyrics and claimed the credits and then you get him absolutely coining it in when puff samples the EBYT riff and andy doesn't even get a whiff of the royalties
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 13 October 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
we may need to consider that NV is ILX's Mike Love
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 13 October 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
Copeland only gets credit for like 2-4 songs per album. I didn't think he wrote all that many lyrics.
Summers getting screwed out of the Pupp Daddy money is definitely pretty egregious though. IDK how much of that was on Stew though
― frogbs, Friday, 13 October 2017 13:38 (six years ago) link
Bear in mind I generally like Copeland as a musician, songwriter, composer, etc.
But in any interview, any documentary or video where he gets to talk, and in his fluffy-as-fuck memoir, he absolutely cannot ever shut up. He tries to come off as a genial goofball, but he keeps changing the subject to himself, and also never shuts up. On the "Certifiable" reunion tour DVD, he keeps talking and talking and you can see the other guys just rolling their eyes. "Oh, god, there he goes again." He makes Sting - STING - seem reserved and modest and shy.
They did this little faux-nonchalant Whisky appearance and they were like, "what should we play?" and Sting turns to Andy and says, "Do you know 'Message in a Bottle'?" So they start playing, and it sounds great. But Stewart doesn't realize the joke is over, and he's still pretending that they don't really know the song. So he is - get this - AUDIBLY CALLING OUT THE CHORD CHANGES, including the inversions/extensions and bass notes.
They were taking questions from a mainly-press audience and Questlove happened to be there, and Stewart gets all goofy about it, while clearly not knowing who Questlove is.
I mean, this guy is responsible for some of the purest joy I've ever felt, but whenever he opens his mouth it just sounds like the most show-offy class clown in the whole 8th grade. Andy's pretty cool, and Sting is... Sting. But Stewart always wants more of the spotlight than he's earned. Which makes him a Mike Love in my book.
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
I've always thought all of that band were dicks tbh.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Friday, 13 October 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
Very compelling case, YMP. But Copeland's musicianship cannot be questioned. This is crucial in being a Mike Love.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
tbf you could probably gather all that about him just by listening to his music. I think the big difference here is that Copeland contributed a ton to the band, in fact if you listen to his Klark Kent record next to Sting's solo stuff, you can make a pretty good argument that Copeland architected the whole sound in a way.
― frogbs, Friday, 13 October 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
I believe Copeland wrote "Does Everyone Stare" and "On Any Other Day"; a few others that I can't call to mind right now. I see where you're going, flappy. If being an unquestionably good musician means you're not a Mike Love, I will defer to the hive-mind wisdom.
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
Mike Love's not really a good musician but he is a good songwriter
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
Mike Love's voice is his instrument!
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
it is not that great
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
tho I do think he made the most of it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
Aruba, Jamaica, ooo I wanna take ya; Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/NzRf8Kx3AsrXa/giphy.gif
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
Hah. Left to right: L: Mike Love; R: Mike Love.
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
He sits behind his microphone: Johnny CarsonHe speaks in such a manly tone: Johnny Carson
Ed McMahon comes on and says "Here's Johnny"Every night at 11:30 he's so funny
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 13 October 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
^^^possibly the best song on "Love You" (not written by Mike tho)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 October 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
So. In the movie "Frank," Domhnall Gleeson's character joins an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius.
He proceeds to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members.
Guess who else joined an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius, then proceeded to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members?
― looser than lucinda (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 14 October 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
Anyone care to opine on who was the Mike Love of the New York Dolls?
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 14 October 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
John Stamos? (xp)
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 07:04 (six years ago) link