TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - Season Two

"the secret occult history of the United States transportation system,"

so, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Toon Detective

he didn't say Los Angeles specifically, just hinted at southern California

and Fukunaga said, "The next season, I think, has to do with something industrial in California."

feels like detroit is a missed opportunity but maybe that's just me

i'm still rooting for Helsinki in the 70's

i mean, of all the cities in america detroit is easily the one i could see some serious noir/gothic/nearly metaphysical cult shit go down since it's basically thunderdome at this point

Even when Detroit wasn't halfway to a ghost town, it had some of the best architecture in the country and should've been the home to more shows.

agreed, and now that it has that 'ghost of a town' feel to it, it seems like a sure thing.

there's always Herzog's lieutenant

first description of s2 plotline put me in mind of lot 49

New Orleans would be also an acceptable option though it was already kind of part of S1

s1 kind of was a gritty remake of who framed roger rabbit when u really think about it

if only they had conceived an ending half as terrifying as WFRR's

being steamrollered by cliche was still quite upsetting tbf

ugh ugh ugh woody Jessica rabbit aghhhh

i have a suspicious that this will be totally amazing and even better than season one because i think there's a tendency for writers or artists to sort of exhale and realize once they get their dream project realized and then that often leads to a surge of creativity. the possibilities expand.

― ryan, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:36 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, the "sophomore slump" is definitely not a thing

something tells me you won't be terribly predisposed to like season two.

i would actually be totes happy if it was good. prove me wrong n-piz!

sending positive vibes to NP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem

^ true detective season 3

Salton Sea would be cool.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2011/11/ASOS-Jessica-Chastain-the-help.jpg
"I'm gettin' too old for this shit"

California love

http://www.mtv.com/news/1832253/true-detective-season-2-location/

"And we're going to try to capture a certain psychosphere ambiance of the place, much like we did in season one."

fuck, this dude says "psychosphere" irl

i listened to the interview with him
he says vuh-he-cle in a kinda mcconaugheyish way also

i think ozzy had a psychosphere on the ultimate sin tour in 86

I'm biased but I kinda love how unpretentiously pretentious he is. would be curious if MM modeled any of his performance after him.

i think you mean "unabashedly"

Convincing Barman Nic Pizzolatto,

xp: either way I am for it!

plus he's given me the word "psychosphere."

he was a bartender in Austin and FYI they are all like that.

maybe it's a type that extends beyond Austin but there's definitely Alex Jones crossed with an eternal phd candidate type of dudes all over the place.

Sounds like a Central Valley story, with that desolation we saw in the Zodiac hitchhiker scene.

ooh yeah

ha ha, rad
i meant that sincerely in support of your unpretentiously pretentious thesis, btw

hope the dude goes for it in season two and has characters swilling cheap beer and quoting hegel at each other f the haterz.

should we all read this in preparation?

http://www.weirdwiltshire.co.uk/wordpress-3.2.1/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EOWCoverFnl.jpg

1915 San Bernadino

oh damn I think I'm gonna!

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/didfredwestmurdertoorder.htm

let's send rust to europe imo

I thought "the other California" was kind of a popular literary/filmic subject

I mean IDK, maybe no moreso than anywhere else

forget it hurting, it's

Fresno

that book cover is commanding my attention v well

That book is 100% straight-up A-plus. California para-history mythology is (as they say) relevant to my interests, Advise folks to look in here: Eden Ahbez, Jack Parsons, and other LA kooks...

hey you know what will be interesting about season two of this, maybe more than the cast/locale/degree of embroilment in occult happenings: how it is structured. the first's plot facilitated this really prerty sophisticated framework; different time periods, reliability of narrators, shifting focus. the newer cops were a part of this. i wonder if the guy has ideas for something equivalent

like the collision of the narration with the protagonists in varying eras of vigor & weariness gave it such weight

yeah that is one underrated strength of the one-off 8 season arc, they can blow through a longer time period like a novel where most shows have to proceed with a straightforward year-by-year chronology to match the production schedule. i wouldn't necessarily want TD to always jump back and forth between 2 eras, but the idea of a long investigation unfolding over years is good. so many cop shows have to resolve cases in unrealistically short periods of time, might as well let things play out for much longer.

I kind of wish they would go the full Bolaño with this and set it at the San Ysidro border (but then I actually just wish HBO would commission a sprawling 2666 adaptation....)

Interested what you think the farther you get into it. My first post in this thread, after a couple of episodes, was positive too. By the end, I was exhausted.

The acting was really good imo. Some of those monologues were super-clunky but they (esp Semyon and his girlfriend) sold it well

The monologues were almost showily awful, like it cannot have been purely incompetence imo

aerial shots of freeways and intersections are unfortunately not enough to connect place to that morass, which is a shame

I felt the opposite, in its attempt at being a Great California Novel. It felt like so many strands of California fit into the story, from agriculture to casinos to cults to the landscapes. I wish the Guerneville/Bohemian Grove sections either had a greater sense of place/location or were moved to somewhere plausible in SoCal.

Also, maybe it was shared way up above, but the NY Times did a good story on Vernon, CA.

I felt the opposite, in its attempt at being a Great California Novel. It felt like so many strands of California fit into the story, from agriculture to casinos to cults to the landscapes. I wish the Guerneville/Bohemian Grove sections either had a greater sense of place/location or were moved to somewhere plausible in SoCal.

interesting. there was a bit where they were going to interview someone out by some crop irrigation, and i did think that it was good the way they were weaving in hard industry (toxic waste), casino and prostitution and driver services, crime and cults. so, yes, in fact i think you're right. i guess i felt that it didn't quite map on to a topography for me, which might have made it more powerful. oddly you get very little sense of them driving along via those intersections. unlike the first TD, there's perhaps not so much external sense of them driving.

Yeah, the first episode, ending with that amazing shot of the crime scene pulling away off the coast at sunrise, sets up the show for having a greater sense of how areas connect, rather than cutting from one to the next with the same freeway shots.

well too old to die young sure is something, like taking all the boring parts of td2 and patiently stretching them into taffy. thx brad and thread

seems like as good a place as any for this

Set the Night on Fire: LA in the Sixties

Los Angeles in the sixties was a hotbed of political and social upheaval. The city was a launchpad for Black Power—where Malcolm X and Angela Davis first came to prominence and the Watts uprising shook the nation. The city was home to the Chicano Blowouts and Chicano Moratorium, as well as being the birthplace of “Asian American” as a political identity. It was a locus of the antiwar movement, gay liberation movement, and women’s movement, and, of course, the capital of California counterculture.

Mike Davis and Jon Wiener provide the first comprehensive movement history of L.A. in the sixties, drawing on extensive archival research and dozens of interviews with principal figures, as well as the authors’ storied personal histories as activists. Following on from Davis’s awardwinning L.A. history, City of Quartz, Set the Night on Fire is a historical tour de force, delivered in scintillating and fiercely beautiful prose.

“The familiar, monochromatic picture of Los Angeles in the sixties—all Hollywood pop and Didion ennui—required a million people of African, Asian, and Mexican ancestry to be ‘edited out of utopia,’ as Mike Davis and Jon Wiener put it. What those people actually did, alongside antiwar feminists, high school students, and others, is the heart of this book, and it’s a big heart. No one could tell these intersecting stories better than Davis and Wiener, and their book gives us back a great city’s greatness in its movements, edges, and other centers, so many of them forgotten.”

I don't know, maybe those people could have told their own stories better than Davis and Wiener. We'll never know, though, will we?

i hope they’ve got a good bibliography of primary sources. but i liked mike davis’ city of quartz v much (still need to finish it ofc) and may give this a go. my god my reading backlog though :/

“This angst cop drama you’ve got goin’ on”

Did everyone watching this report back, im v curious as to how the endings stick

with your angst cop drama and your cocaine tongue
you get nothing done

I feel like this season is conscious of how ridiculous it often is (and I like that)

i have paused on this, but will be returning.

Re-watching this now for the first time since it was new and liking it a lot.

Every time you watch this show Anthony Kiedis reproduces a clone (asexually, but you never know).

liked it the second time around much much better


maybe they shouldn’t have called it True Detective idk

Seriously; just calling it Nick Lottapizza's California Noir would have been just fine.

happy to have been on the right side of history for this one