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Steve, while I realise that bandwidth and fair-use issues are important to you, that politeness thing works both ways in that a simple, polite request to a moderator to remove your link would have been preferable to flaming like a BK Broiler. You may be right, but that doesn't excuse any rudeness. I also like the bit where you tell us to read your page carefully - although if your pic came from Google images, that might not have happened because of how it works - and then cannot be bothered to scroll down far enough to see a moderation request link when you pay us a visit.

Also, if there is any whiff of abuse or slander on the part of someone puroprting to be considering legal action, it doesn't look very good for the complainant. It could, in fact, be seen as extortion based on certain precedents.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

WTF picture is he even on about? Just delete the damn thread, all it is is Nick hating on Yancey anyway.

-- Allyzay (notthatyanceydoesntdeservei...), February 18th, 2004 1:49 AM. (later)

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY IT NEEDS TO STAY UP!

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

yancey?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

Tracer:

You (and the others) just don't get it. That's what pisses me off. You say, 'Linking to images on remote servers is one of the ways that the web "works." it's built into the spec. it's NOT illegal and it's NOT "thievery," no matter how much you would like it to be.'

When there is a specific notice, specific language forbidding linking to images on my site, and cleary requiring my permission before using any of my images, it IS wrong to do so, and it is a copyright violation. Copyright violations are "intellectual property theft". I'm not just blowing smoke, it's true.

'if you tell us who the photographer is we'll credit him or her'

Please pluck a clue off the tree. simply giving a photo credit doesn't relieve you of responsibility to ask PERMISSION before using someone elses property. My images, yes I'm the photographer, are my property. You couldn't take my car and then defend yourself against car theft charges by saying, "well, I put a sign on the car door saying it belonged to Stevem" Taking without permission is theft.

'but if you want the image gone from this thread, please just edit your .htaccess file! damn!!'

No. Simply ask permission before using someone elses work. It's really not that hard. If Ally would have dropped me an email and asked to use the image, my standard response is, sure, go ahead. But that didn't happen. It's not my responsibility to prevent you from breaking the law. It is your responsiblity to obey the law.

Since you guys have finally removed the offending link, I"ll be leaving you all alone to your own little game. However, I hope that this ugly episode will at least make you think about asking for permission before helping yourself to the work and bandwidth of others.. And gawd, if someone complains about copyright/bandwidth issues, be nice. remedy the situation and apologize...

Oh, one last thing, when you do a google image search, pay attention to the line that says, "This image may be subject to copyright."

Cheers!

Stevem

Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

stevem, you've changed.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

"intellectual"

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

Well, it's been a pleasure chatting with you folks. Thank you very for removing the offending link. I'll be on my way now. But before I go, I'll give you an example of the right way to point to content in the absence of usage permission:

http://community.webshots.com/html/violation.htm

Yup, it's that simple, post the link. Now I could have cut and pasted the content from that page right here in this little text window, but that would have been a no-no.

By the way, any admins paying attention to this thread. It would demonstate a modicum of due dilligence if you were to have a readily available link to your policy regarding complaints of copyright violation. A somewhat murky "moderation request" will likely not provide you with anywhere near the protection (and ease of use for victims) that the above reference link would provide to you... Just a thought, and a demonstration of how to be a good Netizen...

Ciao!

Stevem

Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

'but if you want the image gone from this thread, please just edit your .htaccess file! damn!!'

No. Simply ask permission before using someone elses work. It's really not that hard. If Ally would have dropped me an email and asked to use the image, my standard response is, sure, go ahead. But that didn't happen. It's not my responsibility to prevent you from breaking the law. It is your responsiblity to obey the law.

This is like, say, owning a nice home with lots of nice things in a sketchy neighborhood, but refusing to lock the doors because you think people should know better than to steal things because, after all, stealing is obviously wrong. Once you've been relieved of your car, VCR and jewelery, sure, the theft is the robber's fault, no question. But you'll still look pretty silly -- perverse, even -- for not locking your damned doors.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

what the bloody hell

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

i've been referred to as Mr Steve before as well, on mainstream radio no less.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

This thread needs more

http://bs20002.tripod.com/006.jpg

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

Haha yeah, "Moderation Request" is a pretty confusing way of putting forth the concept of how one would find a moderator. "I thought if I clicked it, my desktop would suddenly have a scooter on it and my start up noise would be a...a...Faces song!!"

You still haven't apologized for stealing stevem's name.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

i feel so violated

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

Better a bandwith thief than an oxygen thief.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to god somethingawful.com never finds this place.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Stevem if I were you I'd stop fannying around on ILE and check he hasn't moved into your house or cleared out your bank account in the process.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

What is it with all these irate Googlers today anyway? I've a good mind to go and revive the B4ngbus thread just for a laugh.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

it's like i said to my man Tracer in Le Swimerama, 'move it or lose it buddy, we can take this all the way to Coney'

mr stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

i still don't get why there are two stevems with the same e-mail on the ILE statsc0ck now either

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

You're going to be REALLY freaked out come the next FAP.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

I think he just needs friends, he seems pretty upset that I didn't start emailing him. When you look at it that way, it's touching, almost.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

and there have been two lookalikes of me reported by ILXers in the last fortnight as well

PORTENTS PEOPLE! PORTENTS! ICH BIN EIN DOPPELGANGER

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Kate will be overjoyed...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

I know who you should call.

http://www.jagweb.com/jaguarmodelclub/TVjags/Quadrophenia-1.jpg

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

uh oh

http://unit.bjork.com/77island/77island/images/alarmcall61big.jpg

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

God whatever happened to the Crash Test Dummies?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Forget them, what about Chocolate Milk?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

mmmmmmmm...morphine

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.mountainmantaxidermy.com/images/gallery/BeesNestBlackBear.jpg

hahaha... the evil Stevem walked into the ILX bees nest!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I can see how remote linking can be seen as wrong, but I still can't see how it's illegal. Copyright refers to the duplication of material. Mr Steve's pictures aren't being copied (except in the sense that all pictures on the internet are copied in order to arrive at the browser screen). Ally just provided an alternative route to them to the one on your webpage.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money? Or do I misunderstand?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, that's the problem.

The other problem is that it's easier to configure your site so that people can't link images from it than it is to yell at people who link images from your site.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

It's kind of a legal grey area at the moment...

http://news.com.com/2100-1025-1023629.html

We're not really profiting from posting Mr. Evil Stevem's pictures though, so I think we're more likely to fall under fair use.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to god somethingawful.com never finds this place.

No worries, Allyl. Somethingawful.com, UNLIKE THE ABOVE STEVEM, knows the way of the .htaccess issue, and has a very clever way of dealing with it.

They just replace external image links to a link to a huge pic of a swollen cumming cock-head. Thee best way to teach a lesson, and come out look K-COOL (if not K-CRUEL)

Just ask Chris V.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

yep. giant cock heads everywhere.

Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg

"And take your sucky Jr. High photogirl pictures with you you skinny white Ho."

ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

(Of course, if you just COPY the pics and load it into your own host space, all of the above issues go away.)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

But that would be a very clear violation of copyright (or are you joking?)

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money? Or do I misunderstand?

Yeah, but I use his bandwidth by looking at the picture in its original setting too. Much more of it, in fact.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

Well, now with the links down, no one will will be able to know about his images except for the people he told about his site... so... if a tree falls in the woods...

ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

I found an actual pic of the Steve guy though... he looks somewhat familiar..

http://www.wasteoftechnology.com/motw/williamatherton/peck.jpg

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

haha, is that from his site?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Not THIS version

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/peck.jpg

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

(if the former goes down, then THERE WILL STILL BE ONE)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

yep. giant cock heads everywhere.

ilx in a nutshell

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder if the evil stevem is a dave matthews fan....

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Oh and when people used to do this to my site, a quick redirect of image leechers to goatse.cx would always stop them.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i've been curbing my leeching anyway by doing as donut bitch suggests - saving images, uploading them to my own space and then linking to that instead. if the 'owners' of the image have a problem with that they only have to contact me and request that i either remove it (which i would be extremely reluctant to do but would probably comply) or add a credit to them/the source of the image on the image itself which i am happier to do and that way more people get to see it and its good publicity for them but i still think that's being pedantic. i didn't kick up anywhere near this kind of fuss when some schmuck in California stole my images and design and used them for his own website a few months back. i mailed him and asked him to change it or at least credit me but i got no reply. oh well, some people have no integrity (it wasn't even that great a design tho).

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://tfp.killbots.com/scans/181_zoid-dance.gif

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money?

Actually he stated numerous times that he didn't give a shit about that so honestly I'm not 100% sure what his issue is besides people seeing his picture without him getting a counter hit on his website. I'd understand more if it was the bandwidth thing, though not really why he was dealing with it in such a fashion (the same shit happens to me all the time and I just don't even give a fuck to be honest, like as been pointed out it's really easy to fix if I cared about it).

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

(haha if he really just wants email, people could go reply to his original thread on the moderator request board and that should satisfy him)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link


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