Rolling Metal Thread 2014

I was hoping that this was a joke but apparently these are actual band shirts from a trio of mook-core bands:

http://i0.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Emmure-offensive-tshirt.jpg?resize=400%2C482
Emmure

http://i0.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Attila-classy-shirt.jpeg?resize=470%2C470
Attila

http://i2.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/I_Declare_War_tshirt.jpg?resize=470%2C470
I Declare War

I get that bands like to shock people. I had a Marilyn Manson "God Of Fuck" hat once. I grew up on Alice Cooper, Howard Stern and George Carlin. I also get that the envelope is always being pushed as to what is shocking (it used to be just wearing a shirt that said "Please Kill Me" was enough to get attention, even in New York City). And I am no prude.

But the fact is that these shirts don't just marginalize women as fuck toys for the amusement of the band (and I guess whatever fans wear their shirts), they practically dehumanize them completely. I am not offended as much as I am sad that these bands decided that this was a good way to portray how they felt about a good percentage of their audience.

(Since there are many Deci-dudes in this forum) How about the next time that Decibel decides to make a stance against Revolver's "Hottest Chicks In Metal" sexism, how about an article that takes on these lunkheads and their Neanderthal views that seem way too pervasive in some corners of the metal landscape.

Revolver has considerably more traction that these shirts I'd never heard of before this week, I'd say - doing an article about a shirt company no-one will remember by June would be giving them (yet more) free publicity

I wish you hadn't posted the pictures in here.

yeah, gross

aaaanyway, this is my go to 'need a darkspace track right now' track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwt_UjLPrk&feature=kp

but they're the definition of an album band. imo, you dig that track, all three of their albums are beyond essential and you should buy them immediately.

overdid it a little with the 'tracks' there, one day I'll learn how to proofread >_<

3.12 is my favourite but the whole of III is just fucking unbelievably brilliant & one of the best metal albums ever

"3.13" is like 11mins of the finest black metal minimalism, progressively switching into slower and slower gears until it rides out on this sweet, sweet slayer riff. masterpiece.

gah, love this band

yh they're elemental

I wish you hadn't posted the pictures in here.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:27 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Roadrunner FB page is rather amusing at the moment. Trying to push Black Stone Cherry and a Gojira in-store, getting inundated with unhappy Opeth fans. I was kind of looking forward to hearing the new single.

why did anyone writing about those shirts link to them gah

aero - it's not fundamentally about a shirt company; it's about a subculture that breeds idiots that almost make Juggalos look evolved. No offense intended to Juggalos incidentally.

Devilock - you nailed Darkspace, man. That was beautiful.

Alan N - I gotta listen to 3.13 again. I must not have ever really heard that one properly. I love ilm homework assignments.

Re: the shirts

First of all, it wouldn't be a shirt company that got publicity. I have no reason to believe that one company is behind the shirts. How about holding the bands accountable sine they are the ones who approve all designs and sell their merch.

As for posting them, if they offend you so much, do something about it. Write about it and interview the bands and call them on it.

Burying your heads in the sand won't make it go away. Ignoring it is tacit approval.

I don't have a voice anymore as a music critic. You guys do. So do something about it. I mean other than blame the messenger.

I've been calling them on it. We all agree with you, but we also feel like we didn't need to have them in the thread. Posting the link was enough.

1) lol at the assumption that everyone here is a critic or journalist.

2) the *most basic* issue with your post was that it's nsfw.

In other news, Slayer, High On Fire and Skeletonwitch have been added to the lineup of Brutal Assault.

Burying your heads in the sand won't make it go away. Ignoring it is tacit approval.

the opposite is true, especially in the age of AdSense. zero attention means these places wither and die (and get replaced by others who wither and die in their turn). articles about CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT serve mainly as publicity for the shirts.

I think the answer is sort of the middle. I'm with aero in that articls specifically about the t-shirts and the companies will only give them more attention. But I also think critics/writers with the change to interview the bands themselves should really challenge them and call them out for this shit.

Anyway, waiting for a certaion ilxor to defend the Atilla shirt. ;)

Here's something prettier to help wipe those from brain:

http://www.thesleepingshaman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Golden-Grass-Artwork.jpg

Over on Rolling Stoner/Psych/Freak/Doom/Sludge/Retro/Drone/Space Thread 2014: These Start at 11 there was some discussion on whether the use of nudes on a lot of recent stoner/doom/psych covers is misogynist/tired/cliched. It's tricky -- it's not like nudes are ever going to be banned in the fine art world. So who's to say it's not okay in rock art just because it may not always be as refined or tasteful? Artists like John Baizley are pretty accepted, probably because his work is so great. The Malleus Labs crew consisting of the Italian space/doom/psych band Ufomammut cross the line now and then. I'd be conflicted about wearing some of their pieces on a t-shirt, but I love most of what they do.

Blues Pills revealed the artwork from their upcoming debut, a piece by Dutch artist Marijke Koger-Dunham, who painted it in the 60s and is obviously a big influence on recent album art. She also did stuff for The Beatles, George Harrison and Eric Clapton.

For us, it is a representation of the balance of life, as shown in the symbolism of natural dualities such as darkness and light, sun and moon, life and death, etc. It shows how opposite forces are interconnected and complement each other to form a whole. Besides that, it just looks absolutely amazing!”

http://pittsburghmusicmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/image001.png

Another artist I like, Oakland based Skinner, who did the cover for Mastodon's new one, recently did this Graveyard/Bombus poster.

Nude or no, I really like that Blues Pills cover. Very fitting, hoping that one's going to be a great album.

Deathcore merch has been eye-poppingly misogynist for close to a decade at this point. I'd ask "where have you been," but I know where you've been - right here, murmuring about the latest Agalloch album or whatever. Anyway, what teenaged boys want most in the world, after sex, is to feel like some adult, somewhere, finds something they like shocking, offensive, anti-life, etc., etc. So whatever.

cool perspective

lol

It's 2014. If you're a 17-year-old kid, there's a solid chance that your parents were headbanging to Slayer at your age, if not Cannibal Corpse. So how do you generation-gap them?

I don't recall any Slayer t-shirts asking to see "cunts".

Check out John Christ's T-shirt in the photo illustrating this story; I would say it's from between 1988 and 1992:

http://lastrit.es/articles/801/a-devils-dozen

get to the money and the sweet spot/forever hollerin' "HELL AWAITS" when we see cunts

xpost bitch could be androgynous in that case.

seriously though nobody's denying metal has fuckloads of misogyny strung about the genre. much of the worst of it, though, is often confined to pornogrind and shit like that.

yeah, Slayer would do shit like dedicate "At Dawn They Sleep" to the ladies, but nothing like the content of those shirts. most of their offensiveness was targeted at religious and community norms.

the shit in those pics above kind of exhibits the worst of 'jock' metal tendencies, like they're living in a world where Jamey Jasta is emperor

It's 2014. If you're a 17-year-old kid, there's a solid chance that your parents were headbanging to Slayer at your age, if not Cannibal Corpse. So how do you generation-gap them?

― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:36 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obviously i'm not so dense that i didn't understand the point you were trying to make. it's just that between the *shrug* whatever at public displays of misogyny, and the shade-throwing at posters here for not staying current on terrible music made for teens, your initial post contained the full complement of tedious contrarianism i've come to expect from you.

Every classic metal band was "terrible music made for teens" once upon a time. And if refusing to get worked up over the pop-cultural outrage of the day makes me a tedious contrarian, I'll take it.

threads like a player piano

glad you refuse to get worked up! desperately piecing together bogus, knotty logic instead so you can smugly sit back and annoy others - great alternative!!

now dislike u all more for continuing to discuss these pics than NYC Native for posting them

haha fair enough

i know it was discussed way upthread but the nux vomica record is awesome, they cover so much territory

I remember seeing a Satyricon interview on that terrible, Jamey Jasta-hosted reboot of Headbangers Ball, during which they related the story of one of them, not Satyr or Frost, I forget who, being jumped and beaten by a gang of ne'er-do-wells. Jasta, while making the fist-into-palm universal gesture for ass kicking, said, "So when you found out who did it, I guess you guys took care of business." Satyr replied, in that sheepish Norwegian manner, "Oh of course yes, we contacted the authorities so we'll see how that goes." While I cannot condone violence, it was hilarious to see Jasta's SON I AM DISAPPOINT expression as he changed the subject.

Also I assume all my fellow Emperial worshipers know that In the Nightside Eclipse is being mega-reissued with all kinds of goodies, including an alternate mix of the whole album. Even though the Storm of the Light's Bane iteration of this "alternate mix" thing did nothing for me, I am being optimistic because this is THE album of all time. Though perhaps for that reason I shouldn't want any meddling with it. I'm conflicted as always.

yeah that one already sounds perfect. hope this yields something better than the awkward covers we got last time around.

There's nothing wrong with the mix of Nightside. Anthems though, that mix is terrible. Esp how the synth and vocal tracks drown each other out is part of why that record is so disappointing.

So the Opeth album has been pushed back to August 26. They're not saying anything, but basically what's going on is Mikael hates to do anything but write songs, record them, and go on tour. So it's like pulling wisdom teeth to get him to do a photo shoot, or hire someone to design an album cover, neither of which have been done at this point. But if he's got till mid-June to get all that shit together, there's a better chance of it happening on time.

Uuuugh.

Slopeth

see.. to me, thats where the business of record making and the standards of the industry gets in the way of being the pure artist. If he wants to write, record, tour.. let him! Put out a record with a plain text and a no photos and who cares.. Its music! Does it really matter about anything else. I never need a awesome cover or killer photos to enjoy any music.

xp

Anthems needs a remix and remaster so badly. I even trotted out an old vinyl copy, and yep, sounds like a huge muddle of midrange.

the new autopsy is indeed a motherfucker

I could never understand why Anthems sounds so bad, it's pretty much a rehash Nightside, with the same producer in the same studio, and it was their big comeback record with Century Media giving it all the attention they could. And still it sounds as if they let their drunk uncle Sven behind the mixer board.

I guess the budget was all spent on Ihsahns shiny armour for the Reverence video.