privilege as a meme

Why can't it be both

the former is the implied communication, the latter is the plausible deniability

it's definitely the latter. it's "take a minute to understand how your privilege is influencing your viewpoint here"

― k3vin k., Tuesday, May 6, 2014 12:35 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right--but when its being used as an admonishment it's "hey, your privilege was just influencing this in ways you weren't thinking about. keep that in check." but again, my experience with the stuff comes out of arguments in parks, so it was usually face to face arguments which tend to have a diff tenor abt them obv. different contexts.

I think it means "examine," Hoos, but I also think it's neither/nor since modern radical movements don't place the emphasis on defining one's terms that we did in the days of yore

ah, the meetings that stretched on until dawn

are we a feminist-socialist party or a socialist-feminist party? I logged no fewer than 12 hours of my youth in meetings devoted to this question

classic question

classic question indeed

Yeah, examine sounds good to me. Examine the context of what you are saying/doing, taking into account not only your perspective but the perspectives of those around you. Examine your interactions with those around you.

This is why that Princeton guy's paper is so unsubstantive. The entire thing takes place in his head.

wow i want to set fire to the "why i'll never apologise for my white male privilege" guy

Dig my crazy privilege, y'all. Check it OUT.

xp Places a high value on that apology

On a vaguely related note, and because I can't really find a better thread to ask about this in, but has anybody read Andrew Potter's _The Authenticity Hoax_? Dude writes for the Ottowa Citizen, I think, and has plenty of good points, but the book goes way off the rails in the section on politics to the point where he starts sounds neo-con, quoting Frances Fukuyama, etc.

I haven't read that, but I have read Nation of Rebels, which he co-wrote, and it kinda felt like a Vice-ish riposte to The Baffler in book form. Some good points buried under accurate-but-facile accusations of lefty hypocrisy.

Yeah, there's sizeable amount of that in the later book, too, including a part where he straight mocks anti-Iraq war protestors

Book was published in 2010, and I'm wondering if the Tea Party's inception would have merited a mention.

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/white-privilege/

Authenticity was mentioned upthread - can someone unpack?

I can comment on it bringing in what Andrew Potter mentioned, that often times the longing for and consumption of authenticity is status-seeking, and authenticity is inversely proportional to privilege. The folks on the street know how life _really_ is etc etc etc

There was like a half hour feature on CBC Radio this morning about "Check Your Privilege". One of the interviewees who did not find it problematic also mentioned how her tutorials at University were all "mansplained".

it's "check" as in "check yourself" which is ironic because

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/464499054635139072

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/white-privilege

This caller is really something.

interview with the woman who coined the term is a must-read especially for anyone who (still) whinges about "check your privilege" being a thing

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2014/05/the-woman-who-coined-the-term-white-privilege.html

ESPECIALLY what she says about "niceness", goddamn that needs to be hammered home

But what I believe is that everybody has a combination of unearned advantage and unearned disadvantage in life. Whiteness is just one of the many variables that one can look at, starting with, for example, one’s place in the birth order, or your body type, or your athletic abilities, or your relationship to written and spoken words, or your parents’ places of origin, or your parents’ relationship to education and to English, or what is projected onto your religious or ethnic background. We’re all put ahead and behind by the circumstances of our birth. We all have a combination of both. And it changes minute by minute, depending on where we are, who we’re seeing, or what we’re required to do.

At SEED, thinking about privilege is deeply personal group work. We do an exercise where everybody reads out loud from something they’ve written based on Jamaica Kincaid’s story called “Girl,” which ran in The New Yorker in the seventies. In “Girl,” Kincaid lists voices in her head from her early childhood, telling her how to be a girl. Everybody reads either their boy piece or their girl piece, and, listening, you get a systemic view of varieties of gender conditioning. One very sad thing—very major to me—is that almost all the men who are now over forty read “Boys don’t cry,” or something like, “Put the damn worm on the damn hook.” And that’s a lie—a huge social lie that makes men of that age have to act tougher than they feel. It’s a tragedy for the entire world, and it’s inflicted on boys; they’re not guilty of it. Usually the boy’s crying, or about to cry, when he’s told boys don’t. This is wreckage to the psyche.

i think mcintosh would be horrified to see how ppl like lex have abused this concept as a stick to hit ppl w/ that he doesn't like or disagrees w/. what she's arguing for is a fundamentally compassionate position towards every human being and an examination of privilege that takes place on a personal, intimate level and includes a wide array of different advantages + disadvantages. i don't think she'd ever flippantly tell someone to check their privilege. "The key thing is to let people testify to their own experience."

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/students_at_harvards_kennedy_school_will_now_be_required_to_check_their_privilege/

hope everyone dies

ur in luck

hope everyone dies

― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:42 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

✓

when orthodox jewish males visit the graveyard they are supposed to tuck their tzitzit fringes into their pants bc you don't want the dead to see them + get jealous that the living can do mitzvot and the dead cannot. it's just about being sensitive to your being alive privilege.

http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Mitch-Albom-great-death-Meetville-Quotes-53184.jpg

he went to high school down the block from me

^ the nebby jewish version of name-dropping

is that different from regular name dropping

http://andrea366.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/the-problem-with-privilege-by-andrea-smith/

http://i61.tinypic.com/j6n9ed.png

But the killer wasn't an 100% white male, he was a half-Asian (Malaysian Chinese) male with a sense of internalized racial inferiority, I hate when people do this, it's as bad as when Vampire Weekend were getting accused of pushing the white colonial agenda (which they were, duh) because they were clueless WASP dudes, when actually they are Jewish and Persian, etc.

Like this killer was <i>aspiring</i> to be a Violent White Male Misogynist Asshole (what he'd probably call an "alpha male") as much as he actually was one.

This rings true: "his anger is about his failure to be able to access all the markers of white male heterosexual middle-class privilege". But she blurs it with "heterosexual white male entitlement to a world that grants all one’s wishes". Privilege is something you're born with and have whether or not you acknowledge it - every straight white man has three kinds of privilege. It's not negative per se. Entitlement is something more obnoxious and even dangerous. So I think entitlement, not privilege, is what she should have used here: "I’m also saying that white male privilege might be considered a mental health issue, because it allows these dudes to move through the world believing that their happiness, pleasure and well-being matters more than the death and suffering of others."

I think the distinction between "privilege" (what society grants you by default, which can change radically per individual depending on the current circumstances but has clear overarching trends) and "entitlement" (what you feel you deserve, which can be heavily but not exclusively influenced by privilege) is useful in so much that it takes the actively annoying component of people's rejection of the privilege concept away and casts it as an active behavior that people can more easily identify and understand. It's primarily useful because apparently people are morons who can't or refuse to understand how defaults work in a society and how being closer to "default" can limit your perspective.

The most glaring and obvious default privilege that one can cite is how the cops treat you. The default quality is easily isolated in that situation, so people can see it.

@RichardDawkins: Learned a useful new phrase this week: Social Justice Warrior. SJWs can't forgive Shakespeare for having the temerity to be white and male.

so mad @ shakespeare rn u guys

the bard delusion

what's awesome with Dawkins is i'm not even sure if he was a reactionary cunt until kids started fucking with him on the internet

he just didnt know he was

http://i.imgur.com/51oR0Yq.png

lolwut

I mean Dawkins being a trashboi isn't news but what the fuck even is that last post

someone should call china and make sure they don't do that

don't think dawkins actually said that

http://i.imgur.com/AGjqt8J.png

lolz

i am deceased

picture is perfect there