― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
but on the whole I haven't heard very much of their stuff
― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
definitely rooting for you Dan, you've got a great label, and points taken about the download fees going directly to label / artist when downloading (if downloading from a label website -- i've seen my albums offered for sale online from people I've never heard of who are obviously not legit, including several albums that were never officially released -- which is insane)
if you're someone who listens to music on the computer/iPod/squeezebox
90% of the time this isn't me, but... I'm increasingly in the minority
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link
i wrote one...ummm lesson one? and i wrote a theoretical grrrrrrls review the other one was....hmmm...(xpost to dan)
"if you're someone who listens to music on the computer/iPod/squeezebox90% of the time this isn't me, but... I'm increasingly in the minority"
me too (hell i cant even recall the html to make things into italics), but i think we are a dying breed
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link
I like Queen, but Dave you gotta hear more Sparks.
Ben, I have a Lesson review from you, an Ascension review from Repellent with no credit and no review from you for Theoretical Girls.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
no online music service gets taste right. some might come close. but nobody has replicated the taste aspects of a good record store and good record stores were pretty intimate with the labels. i see insound is trying downloads now and you could argue that emusic and audio lunchbox have tried hard to court a certain feel over the years.
but rhapsody and napster and itunes are for shit. they totally are. it's a sea of randomness. granted, there's diamonds in that sea, but...
m.
― msp (mspa), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link
UNKNOWN PASSAGE: THE DEAD MOON STORY.
most inspiring thing since the first time i heard the godz.
― be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jack Cole (jackcole), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link
in the new paradigm, iTunes and the like can be seen as UPS or something. Just the means of delivery. If labels really focus on downloads, then that's what they'll be promoting. Rough Trade is selling mp3s, Other Music will soon as well...but the thing is, even with "well curated" stores...part of why things are curated is because you can only carry so much stuff. Online outlets like iTunes and eMusic can carry everything and anything. I know people at eMusic try to influence you like a good old indie-store clerk, so that element is there. Is Other Music going to carry (tries to think of something totally unhip that can't be justified by Other Music) downloads just because it can? I don't know, but even if they do, they won't focus on it.
But even iTunes "curates" with what it features...but it's a big service with wide appeal, you're not going to see the Urinals on the front page. For the record they've hired quite a few hipsters to help organize stuff, like in their ultimate mix-tapes section where you can get just the basics or dig deeper, they have some people who know what they're talking about. But you're not the market for them for the most part.
As to whether labels can get smart about it, we'll see. The question to me is still, are enough people going to pay for it?
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Title:
UTD:BENEATH THE ODD-EDGE SOUNDS TO THE TWILIGHT CONTRACT OF THE BLACK FASCIST/THE WEALTH OF THE PENETRATION IN THE ABSTRACT PARADIGMAS OF SATAN
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.anthologyrecordings.com/
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.anthologyrecordings.com/images_cat/24_1_300.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link
but to what msp was getting at: thats the trouble. if lables go down the tubes with shops, someone has to take their place...and we cant go leaving that to bloggers, now, can we?
were beginning to get a bit misdirected here and this might best be taken up over in ilm (were it not overrun by youknowwhats), but Dan, how do you look at marketing/promoting in a dwnld and self releasing marketplace...(still easier for a label than an act alone)?
and now youve half gotten to it
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:07 (seventeen years ago) link
apple is clearly in the business of making itunes totally lifestyle based, and therefore slighty more aware of how to push records than most labels.
ive been wondering recently about the labels and outlets that clearly understand what the record buying public wants
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Labels aren't going down the tubes unless people totally stop paying for recorded music. And if labels go under, a lot of artists are gonna wonder where they're going to get their advances from. The labels aren't the curators as much as the press I think...it's just the lazy press that depends on the labels so they can say "everything on such and such is good". If the whole music industry was just 1,000,000,000 myspace artists, it'd be up to the press to help tell people what's good. And maybe as listeners we'd pay that press to curate that shit for us, or maybe we'd pay someone else to curate it and help us obtain it, like say, a label.
Marketing and promoting in this scenario is easier for the label because they're more easily able to create a brand. If I started a myspace page and put up some music, I'd just sit around waiting for people to discover my site, and if I wasn't connected to the press, I'd have to work my ass off to get it out there. I guess that's why labels are and will still be important. The label picks out the artist, stamps it with that seal of approval. I'm honest when I talk to people now, if you want to you can cut out the middle men and offer music for sale directly. But how many people will it reach. And if you were to say chose me as your middleman...is there anything I can offer that might get you more attention? Like access to press, like access to people who trust my taste, like access to fans of the other music on my label...these are the things that the label is good for. That and money.
I dunno, I'm finishing my site soon, it's not much but I think it'll be good, and we'll see how some of these releases go is the most I can say.
ben, I know I got us into this conversation, but at this point I'd probably not want to discuss it in the wider realms that is ILM! For various reasons!
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link
for probably the same reasons and concerns (also i wouldnt want you to feel pressured talk to directly about plans being put in place -- was more interested in general perspectives)
well, with the way the economy looks from my angel, dominique -- esp once all our dads get into the retirement -- were going to have to have day jobs and prayers w/our music and/or other persuits. but im feeling damned pessimistic about the future of the world this week.
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:30 (seventeen years ago) link
http://images.monocerosmedia.com/gallery/d/53232-2/TwiztidWolf-1.jpg
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link
seems like pre-download, nobody was getting rich off of indie stuff. same with record stores. the general vibe is: enjoy the blessings of the thing while losing your shirt. granted, whereas at one point they could sort of half survive, now it's total brokedom. it's also hard to acertain anecdotal evidence of some folks.... "oh it's downloads!" ... meanwhile you look at what they're releasing and it's all either awful or what's becoming less and less relevant to the NKOTB.
i agree totally with the itunes = UPS analogy... even tho amazon wants in and you know they'll turn their "customers who bought bang tango also bought the marine girls" tech on first chance they get.
i wonder how insound gets in on the action? it'd be interesting if emusic/itunes/etc would give % cut to mp3blogs linking to their wares. that's basically a small record store in a nutshell.
joel, i know i don't say it enough, but you rule. m.
― msp (mspa), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link
i think the way yr defining the role of the label there, dan, is appropriate and forward enough, but cutty is right (from chatter ive heard here and there) that labels are really tightening belts and looking to change the role they play (has j0el been unbanned yet? he might havesome insight). that said i think labels will start to fade, for a handful or reasons.
actually were getting at what i xpect the rushkoff interview i started listening to this am was getting on about.
oh, you have been unbanned, then..
nice
btw:listeing to geinoh yamashirogumi-(1976) chi no hibiki higashi yu~roppu wo utau thnks to milton
few bands are making much of records anyway, so what are the implications of a web-based commercial system on performance, listening culture, etc...how does that cut into the koffers (of esp very new or very forgotten bands)?
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:42 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.candlelightrecords.co.uk/candleweb/redesign/furze/furze.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link
OTM. adding insult to confusion rhapsody recently replaced their non-canonical review blurbs w/vintage kristgau konsumer guide entries. arghh. D for the David Crosby you're now digging. no escape.
please contine this interesting discussion, and keep it off ILM so knowitall douches like yours truly won't intrude.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link
exactly, i wouldn't ask my postman for music recommendations either. i have to know what i want then go somewhere to get it.
― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link
MORE LISTENING TO'S AND LESS INDUSTRY DOUCHEBAGGERY!
TODAY I WILL LISTEN TO CARCASS, THEN SOME LIL WAYNE PEPPERED WITH SOME GHOSTFACE!
HI!
― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link
LIKE STAT!
― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link
netflix why u braek hart
― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.moviegrooves.com/shop/kosmos.htm
maria bought it years ago and i forgot all about it. so cool.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― 69 (plsmith), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 January 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― 69 (plsmith), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― 69 (plsmith), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link
i recently emailed w1ndy, ex-owner of aqu@rius records because she does this. i interviewed for a design position at the iTMS and i'd work w/her. i'd LOVE to have that job though.
― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 25 January 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― ij @ jf (Boredrillard), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link