Disney's newest movie FROZEN, loosely based on The Snow Queen

Nice d/n resonance too

xp Well after spending a few days stuck together going through a whole lot of dramatic events it's not really that unusual for people to develop feelings and kiss (he even asked permission!), and they didn't get engaged this time. Don't know why the siblings/friends conflict doesn't make any sense to you. And the story's moral of 'hey maybe locking away and keeping in check whatever makes you special or not like others is not the greatest idea' seems obvious enough and that works pretty well for me.

Nice essay DL!

Elsa's journey is an interesting one. Scared of power leads to fuck you guys I got power which leads to I got power but lets not be a dick about it is a really strong and interesting moral and seems somehow more complex than the "be true to yourself" Shrekitudes I expected.

I had problems with her power. So, it's so powerful she can't control it, almost kills her sister, sends the village into eternal winter, OK. Never mind the fact that that seems like just the sort of thing you should lock away, when she finally snaps she seems to have no prob focusing her power enough to build a Fortress of Solitude and snow monster. Also, where did the power come from? Is she just a mutant? Deus ex trolls never quite explain. It's definitely more complex than "be yourself" because it's never quite explained. Is the problem not being able to control it? Is the problem suppressing it? Is the problem not loving her sister? Loving her too much? Suppressing her love so that she won't kill her?

I bet my daughter would have a great time watching Doc McStuffins with you guys.

i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie

I don't think I'm "second-guessing" anyone else's liking it so much as just saying I didn't like it?

I mean there's just my "I personally didn't like it" level of not liking it, and then there's the more abstracted level of imagining what kind of messages I would like my daughter to get about women from movies in the future. The latter isn't really a big deal when it comes to a single film -- people get lots of different messages from lots of different kinds of media, and one movie doesn't make much difference, but since it's being touted as being some kind of great leap forward in the portrayal of women in Disney movies I guess I am kind of questioning that. But I certainly wouldn't "second-guess" anyone for liking it -- not everything has to send the right message.

there are things are not very good and yet achieve massive popularity

there are also things which become culturally inescapable for a moment or two and then prove not to be epochal

there are also things which are really well marketed product which manage to incorporate their defense on nominally progressive grounds into their appeal as product

kind of an undignified move to swipe the climax from brave, though

weird, my daughter saw this movie with my mom and yet I have never heard this song

Holy shit! We have a friend whose young child is dying of cancer (which is of course horrible and heartbreaking). But she knows someone who knows Kristen Bell, and Bell not only called up her child as Princess Anna, but had Josh Gad call as Olaf, too! It's making me weepy even typing this. What an incredibly generous thing for them to do.

Awesome!

wow, that is fantastic!!!

omg

Awes

Aw man, that is so wonderful!

fwiw this movie has grown on me, if only by force. Good story, a lot of nice animation even though I still think the characters' faces look off, and even though the music has an irritating broadway sheen, the songs are very clever. Anyway, I have no choice! I have a two-year-old daughter.

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

I enjoyed the second half a lot more, when they seemed to have got most of the singing out of their systems.

There is no relative greater or lesser "enjoyment" for me, it is simply the fabric of my waking hours

thank god my niece is a Scooby Doody kinda gal

watched it for the first time at the weekend. loved it. some of the songs are maybe a little bit by the book - quite deliberate rip of "Defying Gravity" mainly. people who hate musicals are disgusting savages tbh.

some of the animation set-pieces/painterly stills are tremendous too

and now away again before the curmudgeonly goths gather

meh. I love musicals so less of yr blanket slurs.

obv then i wasn't referring to you

thought you liked this anyway?

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2) wrote this at 2014-06-17 02:05:18.000

Right there with you on this one.

Sometimes it's just a loop of "The picture of so-PHIS-tuh-cay-tehhhhd grayyyyyyce"

I've watched this like 10 times, but I just realize last night that when Elsa leaves Arandelle, she's running on foot across ice, then Anna chases after her like five minutes later on a horse, but the next thing we know, Elsa's on top of the North Mountain and it takes Anna most of the movie to catch up to her. Weird timeline glitch.

Well, she loses the horse, wanders around for a while in the cold, getting chased by wolves probably set her back a few.

But it seems like she should have caught up before any of that happened. Like in a couple of minutes.

iirc tho she was an ice queen by then so probably surfed her way up the mountain iceman style

also, anna is mocked for wanting to marry man she has just met, ends the film in love with 2nd man she has just met (like 24 hours later).

this will have been noted upthread

Well Anna is mocked for planning to marry Hans immediately, which is different from being in love with someone.

There's a lot of time/space stuff that doesn't make sense to me in the movie. But yeah, we're probably just underestimating Elsa's magical icy steez.

The biggest problem in the plot was when they kinda just decided that Hans was evil. Seemed really badly done.

the thing that bothered me most was what elsa was gonna eat while she hid out in her ice castle

snow cones duh

the one thing

test audiences reacted negatively to a scene in which elsa methodically tracked and killed a reindeer for its meat.

even some throwaway scene would've been good like maybe after she sings let it go and the whole ice palace is erected and then there's a knock on the door and it's like the dominos guy and he's like yo here's the pizza you ordered and she's like do u have change for a 20 nm keep the tip etc to establish immersion and credibility

It bugs me in "Love is an Open Door" when they sing "it's funny how we finish each others' ... sandwiches" because a) they stole this joke from "Arrested Development" and more importantly b) it makes no sense in context because they literally just met that day, how do they know they finish each others' sandwiches? Is there a deleted scene where they eat sandwiches?

The writers claim they did not steal the joke from AD
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1xj4n5/hi_reddit_we_made_frozen_ask_us_anything/cfbt407

i knew hans was a baddie from the beginning because his lips do a kind of flat sunken thing that heroes' lips don't do. it's hard to explain. plus he's not any kind of underdog, he just shows up regally, meets cute with anna, no sweat, like he just choppered in from monaco or something.

do you think he was a baddie from the beginning? bc after the song he looks all lovelorn under the boat in the water even tho nobody but the horse is watching him. is it possible he was in love w/ her but changed his mind later on? idk i find it all very confusing.

The sandwiches bit is a clue that he's not being honest, because it's NOT what he was going to say.

i don't mean that he had bad intentions all along, but that he didn't fit the way that heroes are set up in these sorts of movies, so it was clear to me a twist of some sort was coming. plus he had villain's lips.