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adam makes a good point, those proprietary earbuds are so crap that they basically wash away all the differences between mp3 and aac anyway. no wonder people don't give a shit.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Ally, is arguing about audio codecs more or less lame than visiting trade fairs online?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

kisses

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all geekery to me.

.adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally there are ways of using LAME with iTunes (and Ogg playback only, obv not on the iPod), search on http://www.macosxhints.com/

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

not on pc.

:(

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

god i hate itunes. fucking monstrous footprint.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I know it's an Apple thread, but this "AAC is better than MP3" business is not a closed case by any means. Maybe at 128Kbps, but they both SUCK at that bitrate.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

disco mix question: any way to get rid of the little space between tracks itunes inserts?

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

itunes preferences > audio > crossfade playback = 0 seconds

for burning to cd, i think you have to look elsewhere, but this works for playing "live"

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

god i hate itunes. fucking monstrous footprint.

But when you're using it on its native machine, it's a whole different deal. On Windows, its only advantages are the way it organizes the music and edits ID3 tags. Other than that, it eats memory and processor by using QuickTime (yuck!) and works spottily with some PC hardware configurations (in my experience). But on a Mac, it's so seamless. You can't imagine using anything else.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

As someone who uses winamp 2.81 and just organizes mp3's into things called "folders", why would I want to install itunes? I tried MusicMatch Jukebox a long time ago, but I hated how it was a resource hog and how it didn't reflect how I had scrupulously arranged my folders.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

you probably wouldn't, then.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

if nicotine isn't working well anymore it's probably because slsk upgraded something and necessitates that all slsk users upgrade their clients to 155. so something probably needs to be upgraded in nicotine now.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont like itunes either. i put things in folders. i like winamp. is there a winamp for mac?

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just thinking my slsk searches have been MORE productive the last couple of days. (Solarseek 0.6)

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i like itunes. it puts things in folders.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

does it actually move the files in the OS?

xxpost:
I remember using macamp, which had a similarly small footprint.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

LSTD, I have done what Jaunty Alan recommends and I still get a tiny hesitation between tracks, which makes segmented DJ mixes impossible. It's VERY annoying. I have a four-year old computer, though, and an almost-full harddrive, so maybe that's why.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

winamp v5.08 is the shit, i love it. it has all the functionality of itunes without any of the clunkiness. i can make 30,000 mp3s searchable and fully indexed just like in itunes. plus it has smart playlists, song ratings, and ipod support now - i don't understand why any pc user would bother with itunes.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer: There is an option that you can select where itunes will create the necessary folders for new mp3s that you've added to your library. I download things to my desktop and then drag them onto the itunes icon and it adds them to the library (which is on my external hd) by placing a copy in it's own folder, as necessary. The original mp3 is still left on my desktop and is then put in the trash bin by me.

Or were you asking a different question?

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

That's very interesting. I wonder if it works the same way for windows (which I use).

As for winamp 5, the way I use winamp it was very slightly slower. Maybe I'll try it again and try to get my head around the expanded features.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Jaunty & Tracer: thanks, I'll see what happens... having the complete works of The Fall on random was the raison d'etre for this digital extravangance, but i'd be nice to jack the house once in a while.

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

the media library feature in winamp 5 is well worth it.

fwiw i found it slow at first too, i fixed that by changing back to the original skin.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the itunes library organization because the heirachy is ARTIST_NAME > ALBUM_NAME which makes sharing my music pretty easy. The downside to this though is that a single song from an album gets it's own album folder, which makes it seem like the whole album is there. Also, soundtracks can be a bit of a pain if the artist name shows up, because the tracks will go into the folders of the appropriate artists and not into one album folder for the soundtrack ... unless you change the info in itunes. I don't worry about it much though because it is not often that I need to browse through my music at the file folder level.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ugh ... "its" for "it's" where necessary.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate browsing through files on slsk that have been 'organized' by itunes

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
Hmm, sounds complicated.

xxxpost:
excellent, I'll try it with the old skin!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

mark, i havd 20,000 mp3s. please come over an organize them for me. there's a $20 in it for you.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

throw in some fig newtons and we have a deal.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link


you can "havd" all the fig newtons you want.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

dean freedb is your friend

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of organizing music. Is there a way that a consumer can use UPC bar codes to access product info and put it directly into a spreadsheet? Either with a scanner or by inputting the codes manually?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

spencer just use the 'consolidate library' function. I think its under advanced or something like that. Itunes will automatically copy things over into folders and whatnot so you can clear out whatever directory you use for downloading.

major jingleberries (jingleberries), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Can it be "undone"?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It can't be undone, but since it moves copies of the files and not the actual file itself, you can always delete the result if it's not satisfactory.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

if nicotine isn't working well anymore it's probably because slsk upgraded something and necessitates that all slsk users upgrade their clients to 155. so something probably needs to be upgraded in nicotine now.

Or better yet, snag a copy of ssX. I was using nicotine for awhile and made the switch to ssX and haven't looked back. It's significantly stabler than nicotine and doesn't need X11.

Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of organizing music. Is there a way that a consumer can use UPC bar codes to access product info and put it directly into a spreadsheet? Either with a scanner or by inputting the codes manually?

Spencer, I can't for the life of me remember what the name of the program was, but Jen was recently messing with the trial version of a "media library" database/front end that was able to hit an online database similar to the CDDB to grab all data on a CD or DVD based on the barcode. It was compatible with barcode readers as well as codes manually entered via the keyboard.

For some reason she decided against paying for and using the program (I think it didn't have enough configurable fields to store her library with all the data she wanted to store), but we agreed that feature was pretty slick. She's on vacation at the moment, but if I catch her online or remember next time I talk to her on the phone I'll see if I can get the product name for you.

Oh, it was a Mac-only app...

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so how do you fix the gap on burned CDs that totally fucks up Pink Floyd albums and the like?

Preference---->Burning----->Gap between songs: none doesn't seem to do the trick, still a little blip there...

Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaron my CD burner does that too, I have no idea how to fix it. Thing is, it does it with Roxio Toast as well so maybe it's the burner itself somehow.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally sucks the life out of any "dramatic-segue" type thing. Toast too? Fuck! I thought that would fix it, glad I didn't buy it thinking that.

Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

god i hate itunes. fucking monstrous footprint.

Interesting little fact, When Apple first ported quicktime to windows, rather than port quicktime they ported a whole Application environment over to windows and Ran quicktime on top of it, kind of like the Mac OS equivalent of cygwin. When OS X came about they ported vast chunks of the Carbon Application environment over and later bits of cocoa (or rather reused bit os x86 openstep and bits from an x86 version of OS Xthey developed when Motorola was giving them processor trouble.

ITunes uses this environment as well and it means that apple if it so desired could port any other OS X app relatively easily if it chose to. It also makes quicktime stuff more compatible cross platform and easier to port quicktime based apps across.

Doesn't, of course, help iTunes/quicktime being rather larger than it need be.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: I have no problems with Adaptec's Jam program (if you set crossfade to 0) re: disco mixes and concept albums

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Preference---->Burning----->Gap between songs: none doesn't seem to do the trick, still a little blip there...

It's not the burner, and technically it's not even iTunes. It's a side effect of the mp3 encoding/decoding process.

Best explanation I found online to save myself a bunch of typing and save ilxors who don't care a bunch of scrolling:

http://www.geocities.com/altbinariessoundsmusicclassical/mp3gaps.html

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin, let me know if she remembers what that program is. I'm going to look for a windows version too. I would love to scan all my CDs. I wonder if you can just rent the scanner for a day...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

...hrm.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

gotta check importing prefs i guess

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer: I think Chronopath Library will do what you're after.
http://www.chronopath.com/index.php?page=library

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Took a bit of searching my brane and the interweb, but I remembered the name and found the site:

Developer is called Delicious Monster, and the app is Delicious Library.

Sadly I did remember correctly that it is Mac only.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Bah! I saw that Chronopath link and thought "Yay there might be one I can use!" but it is only for Mac also.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link


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