Rideshare services - Uber, Lyft, Hailo, etc.

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the idea of being an occasional Lyft driver crossed my mind solely because the idea of putting that horrific mustache on the front of my car cracked me up

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:05 (five years ago) link

legally yeah but in the outer boroughs the lack of yellow cabs meant that hailing black cabs was the norm not the exception. bloomberg created green cabs (which can only be hailed in the outer boroughs / upper manhattan) to legalize/regulate what was already happening and the taxi industry fought it in courts, but eventually lost.

black cabs still exist and still get hailed tho, both in the boroughs and in manhattan.

xp

iatee, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:06 (five years ago) link

and while some drivers might make more money w/ uber atm than they do in places w/ fucked up regulations, in the long term the price/wages are gonna be driven down...though I guess soon enough they'll be replaced by google car so

iatee, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:13 (five years ago) link

if you mean the driverless car that will never happen

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:02 (five years ago) link

The one person I know who drives for Lyft only does it for a few hours a night a couple nights a week and on one weekend night—purely for supplemental income.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:58 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is what the people I know do. They also use it to drive drunk people around and find out where the party is, then park their cars and get fucked up until the morning comes.

dan m, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:05 (five years ago) link

whats wrong with a taxi

taxis are great if you can get one

Flywheel

the day upworthy breaks the story of the lyft murderer who drove his victims to an airbnb death dungeon is the day u know ur paradigm has truly been disrupted

adam, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:19 (five years ago) link

"Please rate your driver"

Echoing that taxis are fine if you can get them -- in SF, depending on where you are and what time it is, sometimes you might as well walk. Lyft has the app and the ease of taking care of everything that way. However, the drivers don't generally know the city as well as taxi cab drivers (though they also don't typically drive as recklessly).

Dominique, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:22 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

1. there was a big taxi protest in DC today:

Drivers in and around downtown D.C. were gridlocked in traffic Wednesday as a caravan of angry taxi drivers made its way from East Potomac Park to Freedom Plaza — in a protest against app-based ride sharing services such as UberX.

the taxis all honked constantly for about 2-3 hours outside of my work. they weren't little short honks but rather of the HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK variety. one one hand, the drivers achieved their goal of getting people to think about the Uber/Lyft/Sidecar issue and to talk about it. on the other hand, the most common thing i heard among pedestrians and workers in the area was "SHUT THE FUCK UP! GODDAMIT, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!"

i want to be sympathetic toward the taxi drivers. but even though i've never used Uber-like services as i don't use taxis very often at all, they clearly seem to be better on a technological level. when a rottweiler munched on my shin and calf a few weeks ago, it took calls to 3 different taxi companies before someone was able to pick up the phone and then agree to send someone to my house. 40 minutes passed before it finally arrived, and i live in DC proper, not way out in the suburbs or something. when the driver showed up, he refused to shut the fuck up even though i made it clear that i was bleeding and in a great deal of pain. he was physically unable to shut the fuck up. then he refused to take me to the nearest hospital (howard university) because "that's not a good hospital". instead he took me to a hospital across town, during rush hour, so the ride took forever. the entire time he talked about how much he loved money and also gave me advice about dog bites. he also, of course, spent a good chunk of time complaining about Uber.

anywhere, clearly an anecdote about a terrible taxi ride doesn't build a very strong case against taxi drivers, but pretty much every time i take a taxi i end up with the most terrible human beings of all time. i haven't used Uber but i've heard that they actually show up, you can tell when they'll arrive using an app, and that they don't talk much. sounds heavenly.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:13 (five years ago) link

My god, Karl, I hope you called to complain about that driver! The delay is absurd and part of why I am in favor of the decentralized dispatch services provided by Uber and Hailo, but him not taking you to your requested destination is not only straight up awful but must violate some kind of DC consumer services regulation. Is there a complaint number to call? That guy is a god damn menace.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:18 (five years ago) link

when a rottweiler munched on my shin and calf a few weeks ago, it took calls to 3 different taxi companies before someone was able to pick up the phone and then agree to send someone to my house. 40 minutes passed before it finally arrived, and i live in DC proper, not way out in the suburbs or something. when the driver showed up, he refused to shut the fuck up even though i made it clear that i was bleeding and in a great deal of pain.

sounds like a shitty situation and i feel for you karl malone but you didn't want to call an ambulance?

marcos, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:24 (five years ago) link

i was more concerned about the pulsing pain and shooting blood from my leg then taking his taxi ID number or whatever. i kept saying "yeah i'm in a lot of pain right now" as my response to his running monologue about how much he loved money that was occasionally sprinkled with questions to confirm that i agreed that money was awesome as well.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:26 (five years ago) link

xpost
hard to explain, but i was in enough pain and bleeding enough to need to go to the hospital, but not enough to feel the need to pay several hundred dollars for an ambulance ride.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:28 (five years ago) link

i (as well as several friends) have been using Uber X and Lyft fairly regularly for months now and they are a thousand times better than your typical taxi service in nearly every conceivable way.

circa1916, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 20:29 (five years ago) link

i want to be sympathetic toward the taxi drivers. but even though i've never used Uber-like services as i don't use taxis very often at all, they clearly seem to be better on a technological level. when a rottweiler munched on my shin and calf a few weeks ago, it took calls to 3 different taxi companies before someone was able to pick up the phone and then agree to send someone to my house. 40 minutes passed before it finally arrived, and i live in DC proper, not way out in the suburbs or something.

it took me a while to understand this in my area, being a very infrequent taxi user who never had any of them around growing up, but i think basically taxi companies have a lot of unspoken ways of doing things that they require you to deal with if you want their convenience. factor in having to deal with a lot of demanding erratic customers who don't understand these things and i guess i can understand why they can get kind of fuck-you sometimes.

i'm thinking things like expectations about when people travel, under what circumstances it's reasonable to expect a fast pickup, where they expect you to go (wrt taxis being around you and finding fares wherever they end up).

recently i had an injury and had to take more taxis than i could afford because i didn't have any other way, and i got quite a range of service. some drivers had very slick smartphone apps, a square thingy. some knew where they were going. some couldn't find me standing at the opposite corner from where they expected. one guy had to fill out a card charge on fuckin carbon-copied slips by hand, but when i saw the phone he was working with, and figured what he must be making driving the cab, i really couldn't be irritated at him - anyone who could afford it would leap at the conveniences that would probably help them pull down more tips and other desirables. once i got picked up on a street corner by a passing cabbie i flagged down (apparently this does not really work much) who was ok with dumping me in the front seat with another fare in the back, only to have the actual cab i had called (there were a LOT driving past that night) swoop in and get irritated at the other one, and at me, for taking the fare he had oked. but how was i to know?? i was just standing in a snowstorm with a bum foot miles from home! etc.

j., Wednesday, 25 June 2014 22:00 (five years ago) link

i was more concerned about the pulsing pain and shooting blood from my leg then taking his taxi ID number or whatever. i kept saying "yeah i'm in a lot of pain right now" as my response to his running monologue about how much he loved money that was occasionally sprinkled with questions to confirm that i agreed that money was awesome as well.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you had any sort of responsibility to report this guy. It was more of a "Justice for Karl Malone!" kind of thing. I get that way when I get angry at something on someone's behalf.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:23 (five years ago) link

Oh no, it's cool! Believe me, as I sat I sat in the backseat I thought "what would a more direct person do here? Most people wouldn't stand for this." It's totally reasonable. People's thresholds for bullshit change over time, and I hope that when I'm an older man I'll have the courage to call out bullshit like that.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:50 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

anyone used relayrides? looks pretty sweet.

this is probably a dumb question but if you get pulled over what are you supposed to show for insurance?

mattresslessness, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:09 (five years ago) link

I use Uber and Hailo for calling real cabs. I don't use the ride sharing services, probably because I just use the real cabs, they always seem more plentiful. But I like the idea of them and fully support them.

Jeff, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:32 (five years ago) link

relayrides = car rental

mattresslessness, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:33 (five years ago) link

cab drivers i'm sentimental about but i truly hope car rental companies get disrupted out of existence by this thing

mattresslessness, Monday, 21 July 2014 20:36 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

what exactly did this guy say? I can't track it down anywhere, just reactions to it.

akm, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:18 (four years ago) link

fuck these services

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:21 (four years ago) link

no way in hell am I entrusting the lives of my children with some unlicensed uninsured asshole with a handlebar mustache

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:24 (four years ago) link

A pink handlebar mustache pasted to the front of his car, even.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:30 (four years ago) link

had way more shady shit pulled on me by cab drivers than i have ever received while using uber/lyft.

circa1916, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:43 (four years ago) link

^

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:55 (four years ago) link

lol shakey wtf are you talking about unlicensed uninsured

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:57 (four years ago) link

Ubs has been pretty good to me except the multiplier suxxxxxxxx

, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:02 (four years ago) link

THe uber app is also pretty awful it's like a videogame interface

, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:11 (four years ago) link

I mean the #aesthetics

, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:11 (four years ago) link

uber means never having to find a dd / leaving my car somewhere distant if im out and alcohol becomes a factor. plus reduction in such stressors as finding parking v valet etc. it's pretty much the best. i never fuck w lyft or whatever else tho

this things i believe (art), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:12 (four years ago) link

tax the hell out of these people and do more buses / trains at all hours in cities that aren't new york ffs. i get how it's better than cabs for the customer but it's not solving any other problems and libertarians are wrong abt this shit being inherently good. it was totally galling to see a "fb friend" share a "petition" to keep lyft legal in my city, like ok fine it's very weird and hypocritical how this place is "pro-business" only if it jibes with a religious cult, but on the other hand, if trax ran until 2 here, drunk driving is addressed, less drivers on the road is addressed (we have the biggest smog problem in the country), suddenly you might have a night life, etc.

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:13 (four years ago) link

miateesslessness

, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:16 (four years ago) link

I don't think you should be opposed to expanding the market for taxis if you want to stop drunk driving and make it easier to live w/o a car

iatee, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:20 (four years ago) link

these companies are pretty clearly run by terrible people but so are taxi cartels

iatee, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 20:22 (four years ago) link

lol shakey wtf are you talking about unlicensed uninsured

― ✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:57 AM (5 days ago)

these drivers tend to only be insured for personal travel -- not for transporting passengers for money.

ͤ ͬͤ ͬͬͤ ͦͬͬͤ ͬͦͬͬͤ (sarahell), Sunday, 23 November 2014 23:29 (four years ago) link

i was thinking of lyft -- not sure about shakey

ͤ ͬͤ ͬͬͤ ͦͬͬͤ ͬͦͬͬͤ (sarahell), Monday, 24 November 2014 01:03 (four years ago) link

https://www.lyft.com/safety

✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Monday, 24 November 2014 01:09 (four years ago) link

personally, it just seems like there's too overwhelming a douche factor involved with using these services, but i felt that way about cell phones in the late 90s/early 00's

i agree with matt though about regulating and taxing these things -- same with Air BnB

ͤ ͬͤ ͬͬͤ ͦͬͬͤ ͬͦͬͬͤ (sarahell), Monday, 24 November 2014 01:11 (four years ago) link

sarahell, what's your opinion about the types of insurance the drivers for these companies carry?

, Monday, 24 November 2014 01:27 (four years ago) link

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141122/lakeview/cyclist-struck-by-two-cars-on-lake-shore-drive-early-saturday-police

Awful situation but wondering how the insurance stuff may shake out here with the Uber driver.

carl agatha, Monday, 24 November 2014 01:29 (four years ago) link

http://www.policygenius.com/blog/insurance-secret-uber-doesnt-want-know/

geochal, Monday, 24 November 2014 01:37 (four years ago) link

I took UberX a few times recently just to try it out (once when we didn't have our car and needed to get somewhere), here are my thoughts:

1) From work (midtown manhattan) to home it was exactly the same price as a regular yellowcab, and unlike the yellowcab the uber guy didn't gun it and didn't take what I know to be the fastest route, so not doing it again from work
2) From my neighborhood, however, it was great -- car services around here suck and often just tell you they don't have someone available, whereas uber had a guy with a car seat her in five minutes.
3) However, they charged about 30% extra for the car seat, which seemed kind of ridiculous
4) I was annoyed at how unclear it was how much it was going to cost -- the first time I specifically got the fare estimate, but the second time I somehow missed it, and once you pass that there doesn't seem to be any meter or anything else telling you how much you're paying and why
5) Uber is just the douchiest name ever, and their logo looks like something out of Robocop
6) All three Uber drivers I had were professional drivers who had previously driven for black car services so the "ridesharing" thing is nonsense
7) Ultimately yeah there is a douchey vibe to the whole thing -- you can even hook up your spotify account to the driver's stereo so you're the fucking DJ in your uber while you do lines off a hooker's ass or whatever
8) The cars were all very nice, though almost pointlessly so -- the "family" one we got was a Toyota Avalon hybrid, and the one that took me home from work was some monstrosity luxury SUV

TL;DR, I'll probably use it again in my neighborhood just because cabs and car services are so difficult, but otherwise it has no major appeal for me over a regular cab, and I barely ever take cabs anyway

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 November 2014 02:14 (four years ago) link

Also, one of the drivers told me "Last year, it was great, I made good money and I could work a normal day and go home. Now they cut the rates and I have to work 15 hours to make the same money I made in 8"

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 November 2014 02:15 (four years ago) link

Also didn't realize that Gett owned Juno now. In Tel Aviv, Gett is the only app you can use and it works only with regulated taxis that are also street-hail taxis.

As a funny aside "Gett" is also the hebrew word for a religious grant of divorce.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:53 (two months ago) link

the median cost of salary, benefits and overhead for an engineering/product employee at uber has to be half a million dollars. this is a big cut https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/10/uber-lays-off-435-people-across-engineering-and-product-teams/amp/.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 01:21 (two months ago) link

Not enough to cover 20bn a year in losses of course.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 01:24 (two months ago) link

My wife's friend's husband is a director of engineering at Uber (maybe not anymore lol?)... and I'd guess he doesn't make that much, maybe half of your estimate?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 02:17 (two months ago) link

if you're a director of engineering at uber in the bay area then you are making an absolute *minimum* total comp (cash, bonus, stock grant) of $300k. i'd be surprised if it wasn't significantly more than that, likely over $500k. i think you've seriously underestimated this guy's income. here's a link to crowdsourced data which matches what i know from working in the industry https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Uber,Google,Facebook&track=Software%20Engineering%20Manager.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:19 (two months ago) link

also like i said: salary, benefits and overhead. if you fire someone you pay $100k/year you save a lot more than $100k/year.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:20 (two months ago) link

to be clear my point is not that this is going to save them a significant amount of money relative to their losses (although it's probably more money than people outside tech would guess). it's more: this is a messed up company and seems like it was very badly run for a long time (and possibly still is). some gossip on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20931644

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:29 (two months ago) link

yeah no i'm just talking salary, although they did just buy a house (modest 2BR) with exercised stock options once the embargo ended. as an aside, he has NEVER has mentioned where he works.

i just asked my wife if she knows if he was affected and shes not sure yet.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 04:33 (two months ago) link

Uber pushed back on Wednesday against a newly passed California bill that effectively requires companies to reclassify their contract workers as employees, in a sign of the emerging resistance that the measure is prompting across the gig economy.

Tony West, Uber’s chief legal officer, said in a news conference that the ride-hailing company would not treat its drivers, who are independent contractors, as employees under the California bill. He said that drivers were not a core part of Uber’s business and could maintain their independent status when the measure goes into effect as state law on Jan. 1.

Uber’s business, Mr. West said, is not providing rides but “serving as a technology platform for several different types of digital marketplaces.” He added that the company was “no stranger to legal battles.”

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:41 (two months ago) link

FWIW I sometimes think it would be better to improve regulation of "gig economy" jobs and companies rather than try to shoehorn them into the existing employer/employee framework. Like maybe another category is needed btw employee and independent contractor.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:40 (two months ago) link

looking forward to Uber collapsing/being litigated out of business tbh

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:45 (two months ago) link

We don't need another category.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:52 (two months ago) link

how about masters and slaves

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:55 (two months ago) link

the thing is they are employers

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:58 (two months ago) link

suck it, shitty companies:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-governor-signs-labor-law-setting-up-14450116.php

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:59 (one month ago) link

This is huge not only for the obvious, but also because Uber will have to argue the *exact opposite* legal framework as it does in opposing AB5. The legal walls are closing in. https://t.co/RxnILrYb3t

— Aaron W. Gordon (@A_W_Gordon) September 19, 2019



You can’t simultaneously argue that the drivers are independent business and also that you’re not the nexus of a massive and illegal pricing collusion scam.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 September 2019 00:45 (one month ago) link

'130-year-old laws don't count'

mookieproof, Friday, 20 September 2019 01:07 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

https://qz.com/1683778/lyft-sees-raising-ride-prices-as-its-path-to-profitability/

“We believe we have a clear path to profitability,” Roberts said. “We began to adjust prices on select routes and in select cities based on costs and demand elasticities. We expect that these changes will accelerate Lyft’s path to profitability, and further, we believe these price adjustments reflect an industry trend.”

So they plan to fix prices (in collusion with their competitors) and then expect not to suffer any reduction in demand...

lollllll

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 00:04 (three weeks ago) link

cost and demand elasticities! impress man use big words!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 00:07 (three weeks ago) link

If humanity is still around in 10 years, someone please revive this post in 10 years for the lols.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 00:09 (three weeks ago) link

uber and lyft shouldn't even be allowed to pick up at airports -- it's like an enormous game of hüsker dü

take a fuckin cab

mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:10 (two weeks ago) link

I feel like I am a luber driver in another dimension.

Yerac, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:15 (two weeks ago) link

uber and lyft shouldn't even be allowed to pick up at airports -- it's like an enormous game of hüsker dü

take a fuckin cab


build trains

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:51 (two weeks ago) link

well, yes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:52 (two weeks ago) link

Who among us hasn't accidentally intentionally had someone killed

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 November 2019 18:29 (five days ago) link

I'm sure in five years, his family will laugh about it.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 November 2019 18:29 (five days ago) link


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