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calstars, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link

http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-news/all-your-power-what-would-you-do-christina-fallins-band-pink-pony-protested-norman

NORMAN, Okla. -- There’s an unwritten rule that reporters aren’t supposed to get involved in the stories they cover. As I have been covering this entire Christina Fallin/Native Appropriation debacle, it’s been extraordinarily hard because her and Pink Pony partner Steven Battles’ indignant racism towards indigenous peoples has become more sharpened and precise.

While once people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and defend their “artistic” choices as mere ignorance, Saturday night’s performance at the Norman Music Festival on the Blackwatch stage more than cemented the realization that they are deliberately provoking and trying to hurt Native Americans.

As a Choctaw, it was one of those moments where I couldn’t just sit by and let the story happen.

Earlier in the day, on the Pink Pony Facebook page, the low-rent techno band announced “I heard Pink Piny (sic) was wearing full regalia tonight.” Whether this was a message to taunt or inform, it put many local Natives into action, especially highly-acclaimed singer-songwriter Samantha Crain.

Through Facebook, she organized a silent, peaceful protest that would be held during the band’s midnight performance.

Support was overwhelming, but there were also the typical cries of “Don’t give them attention!” or “You’re playing into their hands!” Maybe so, but when it’s your culture and history that is being publicly desecrated, you tell me that it’s alright to stand by and allow it to happen.

As Crain and supporters gathered together by the side of the stage, respectfully out of the view of the main crowd, we stood patient, waiting for the music to start. Unfortunately, the first set, Steven Battle’s rock project, was marred with tons of on-stage tuning, feedback and the general impression that they haven’t rehearsed that day, if, honestly, ever.

Once the music started, we held up our homemade signs that read “Don’t Tread on My Culture,” “I Am Not a Costume” and, in honor of Flaming Lips’ frontman and noted Fallin supporter Wayne Coyne, who stood behind the partition with Fallin’s entourage, accompanied by his girlfriend, laughing and pointing at the protesters, “What Would You Do With All Your Power?”

From the stage, Battles goaded and tried to incite reaction from the peaceful protesters, calling us “haters” and, at one point, urging the crowd to throw the middle finger our way which, sadly, much of the crowd did, like dogs trained to salivate to the sound of the world’s most out-of-tune bell.

It was around this time that a seemingly inebriated woman named Lauren Lackey, a Norman pseudo-celebutante claiming to be a part of the Norman Music Festival, belligerently told protestors that we were ordered to vacate and couldn’t be there.

As she got in the faces of various picketers, I stood defiantly as four security guards surrounded me. As they tried to strong-arm me, I stood like the big brick wall that I am. That is when everyone surrounding us took out their cellphones and began filming. One security guard grabbed my wrist and I looked at him and said “Do it. The world is watching.” Hearing that, he backed up and just stood in front of me with his arms crossed.

Eventually, the Norman PD showed up and said we had every right to protest there, but Lackey continued in her ranting. However, and kudos to Blackwatch for this, they allowed Crain on the other side of the partition where Fallin’s entourage stood mocking us, holding her sign with a courage and determination that inspired all of our tired arms to just hold our signs up higher, more stoic than ever.

Within minutes after that, Fallin took to the stage dressed in pantyhose, garters and an obviously Native-inspired shawl that read in big black letters “SHEEP.” This was in reference, it is theorized, that the protesters were easily-led morons for not believing what the band said in their non-apology regarding their “love of native culture” and whatnot.

This was painfully and brutally reinforced when, during one of their numbers, Fallin lifted her shawl over her head and did a perverse mockery of a native war-dance, twirling in circles as the drummer—anonymously wearing a “white-face” mask, mind you—tried desperately to keep the beat.

To see her reenact a sacred ritual like that in front of drunk, hateful hipsters literally caused the protesters’ collective jaws to drop. In essence, to me, it felt like Fallin was throwing it down and ultimately declaring war on Natives, not only the culture, but the people as well.

She really is like her mother.

As the show wrapped up and things seemingly returned to normal, one thing kept flashing through my mind: the image of that sea of white faces, giving the protestors the finger. It became a full-blown hate rally at that point, only with worse music. And these are my peers! I saw people I knew, I work with, that I called friends, turn on me and my fellow protestors because of our race and what we believe in.

I knew at the moment that they wouldn’t be happy until they kill the rest of us off.

Yeah, a reporter isn’t supposed to get involved in the story. We’re supposed to take a step back, observe and tell you, the reader about it. Collect our check and then move on to the next one. But when pure, unadulterated evil is staring you in the face and daring you to take it on…the press pass goes down and the will to fight goes up.

Maybe Fallin and Battles went into this trying to get attention for Pink Pony, but with their Norman Music Festival performance, they publicly let it be known they want a war.

Well, kids, you got one.
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Wayne...still a dick.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link

We are talking Oklahoma here, scientifically proven to be the worst state in the Union.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link

http://www.reddirtreport.com/rustys-music/update-flaming-lips-drummer-fired-insulting-waynes-pal-christina-fallin

UPDATE: (7:34 a.m. April 29, 2014) Red Dirt Report's Louis Fowler just offered us some new information on the reported firing of Kliph Scurlock as drummer of The Flaming Lips: "(Red Dirt Report) has obtained physical CONFIRMATION from multiple sources who, at this time, cannot be named for various reasons that will eventually come to light, that Kliph Scurlock was indeed fired from the Flaming Lips for speaking out against Christina Fallin's headdress photo. We at Red Dirt Report applaud Scurlock for his bravery in standing with the Native peoples of Oklahoma, no matter the cost."
- See more at: http://www.reddirtreport.com/rustys-music/update-flaming-lips-drummer-fired-insulting-waynes-pal-christina-fallin#sthash.6WPScnqD.dpuf

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link

South Carolina or Florida are way worse than OK

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link

xpost "Physical confirmation?"

Florida and South Carolina both have things going for them that OK lacks, sucky though all three states may be.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link

Why doesn't Texas fall into the ocean?

Because Oklahoma sucks so hard.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link

Josh, a commenter something about a text message. I assume that.

afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link

Ah. Yeah, that would make sense. I guess I was stuck on the "physical" part. Like someone discovered a swab of Coyne's asshole DNA or something.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link

i don't know shit about the governor or state of OK but to be fair the governor did call out her daughter on her bullshit

marcos, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

the flaming lips' social media is covered in this shit

it's kind of funny

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link

Florida and South Carolina both have things going for them that OK lacks, sucky though all three states may be.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

That thing is: "The Ocean"

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link

i take back what I said about oklahoma, in light of last night's "botched" execution, fuck you oklahoma.

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link

What is good about Oklahoma?

The basketball team, I guess. I don't follow basketball. How the heck did they end up with a good basketball team?

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link

not really a fan of shitting on states when it's really some aspect of the state government that you want to shit on. i'm fine with shitting on stupid state and other governments. but a bunch of different kinds of people live in OK and every state has some cool stuff going on. florida and SC included

marcos, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link

He's never going to acknowledge this, which makes him even shittier in my eyes. Just say you're sorry you might've offended some people and move on.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 1 May 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link

Don't even address firing the drummer or being friends with a bunch of 18-year-old girls. All you have to do is apologize to those you offended in the Native community. What's the harm?

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 1 May 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link

have a feeling he does not actually give a shit and is having some mid life issues

akm, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link

i hate this guy so much

call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link

Of course he doesn't give a shit. That's why he sucks.

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link

I still like Clouds Taste Metallic, though. *<:-|

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link

http://gawker.com/how-the-flaming-lips-lost-a-drummer-over-native-america-1570423161/all

This story keeps gaining traction.

Their social media is covered in slime right now.

I still think it'll probably go away by the end of the month and Wayne will continued to not acknowledge everything. I'm pretty disappointed.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link

more like the flaming so deeply immersed in irony as a lifestyle for so long that they are now incapable of acknowledging blatant racism as troublesome lips

ienjoyhotdogs, Friday, 2 May 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link

I knew them hanging out w Miley was a sign of trouble.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link

Jordan SargentJordan Sargent
Yesterday 4:44pm

Wayne Coyne, by the way, is kind of a dick. You may remember this bullshit he pulled with Erykah Badu http://jezebel.com/5916667/erykah...

He also allegedly cheated on his wife http://newsok.com/flaming-lips-s...

Sorry Jordan, but whatever that is it isn't music journalism. Digging dirt on someone's divorce has nothing to do with this head-dress shitshow, it's just gross. I'm not interested in defending Coyne over this but pulling together different issues as if to prove that someone is de facto a dick, WTF is that? Just as depressing as when lots of people decided they were experts on Kim and Thurston's divorce.

Uh.... Kliph now has a pretty big, pretty damning story on P4K.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link

Kliph

PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link

why not Qlyphh

PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link

or Clyffe

PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link

xp Well that's a first-hand account of the incident in question from someone who was in the same band for 12 years, not "Oh btw he might have cheated on his wife" as if that's anybody's business. Pretty damning though. Wonder what Coyne will say when the next interviews roll around.

he'll say he's hard at work on his Christmas on Mars musical

PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link

Wayne sounds like a horrible human being.

Has he always been one?

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 2 May 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link

Sorry Jordan, but whatever that is it isn't music journalism. Digging dirt on someone's divorce has nothing to do with this head-dress shitshow, it's just gross. I'm not interested in defending Coyne over this but pulling together different issues as if to prove that someone is de facto a dick, WTF is that? Just as depressing as when lots of people decided they were experts on Kim and Thurston's divorce.

― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, May 2, 2014 2:06 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

i didn't "dig dirt" for one. that is from a widely available news story.

secondly i made that comment before kliph (publicly) confirmed what happened, so i thought it was pertinent to say "by the way, wayne coyne has a documented history of being an asshole to people who were close to him"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link

can't believe jordan posted gossip on a gossip site when will this madness end

whatchutola khomeini (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link

There was a time when I almost became a proper Flaming Lips fan and I remember Kliph being super friendly on the official Flaming Lips messageboard, covering production details for asking fans. I lost touch with their output around At War with The Mystics (which was embarrassingly bad) and despite lots of friends telling me how good Embryonic and The Terror are, I only casually listened to those two, part of which is because of the Coyne and Badu story with was nagl.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 2 May 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link

The Pitchfork article has a song by Thee Tee Pees in the "Latest Tracks" right next to it...

holy shit

whatchutola khomeini (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 2 May 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link

ha

Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link

Good catch , Poo.

how's life, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link

At 9:54 p.m., he texted me again pressing the headdress photo issue. In my desire to have this done and over with, I apologized and said I wouldn't do it again. He responded, "… Ha ha… You so full of shit … You're a fucking coward !! Go stick up for your Indian friends if its so important to you !!" It devolved from there, with him later texting, "I think….. I am gonna make it so your 'beliefs' no longer have any association with the Flaming Lips .."

wow if these are really Wayne's texts then eff him

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 May 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link

Fuck Wayne Coyne. Let him do his dumbass commercials and racist hubaloo, just gtfo out of my newsfeed.

Dreamland, Saturday, 3 May 2014 00:17 (ten years ago) link

my favorite part of this was definitely when the 53-year-old man called somebody a "hater" in a text message

some dude, Saturday, 3 May 2014 02:20 (ten years ago) link

~bookmarked for 20 years from now~

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 May 2014 02:23 (ten years ago) link

What a weird series of stories. Kliph's whole screed. Wayne having a midlife crisis. And this whole shit with the headdress.

Am I just overdosing on Donald Sterling stories? Or does social media seem to have poisoned them all?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 3 May 2014 02:52 (ten years ago) link

The fact that he went to RS alone smells of BS. It's one thing for Kliph to call Wayne a horrible person in retrospect, because Wayne is in a position of power and people in that position can acts like asses with impunity. But for Wayne to call Kliph a horrible person? Who they have been struggling with for some time? Bullshit. If that were true, if he's just an ex-drummer who means nothing to him, they would have fired him eons ago. This is total damage control on the part of Wayne. Which he clearly needed to do.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link

I hope Kliph stole one of those giant bubbles on the way out.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link

He knows we struggled with him for years and it didn't occur to us that it seemed that significant

The only world where this makes sense is a world where At War With the Mystics is a better album than Embryonic or The Terror. Fuck this, at least you could try and put on a good face and acknowledge the two albums you made w him were the best you had done in years. But yeah instead of trying to be the bigger man and be positive, this interview is 90% shit talking.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 May 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link

God, this interview is just.... the answer to every question always ends with 2-3 sentences of him just bashing their old drummer. Ugh

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 May 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link


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