The Wolf of Wall Street (new Scorsese)

i may go too far here but Goodfellas almost seems staid and classical compared to the madness of this movie. it's pleasures are rather straightfoward, its "moralism" easily digestible (of the having and eating cake variety).

shrill, repetitive, obvious, and self-imitative mess

i guess my point is not that the movie isn't this these (though we could quibble) but they are not contrary to it being a "wholly realized work of art."

scorsese says he modeled this a bit more on casino iirc, which has the same sort of OTT decadence and unhinged behavior (and a literal wild west setting for all intents and purposes) and the more insane scenes of domestic turmoil.

i dont think ive seen many movies where not only is it hard for me to identify the feeling im having, but that i am possibly having several feelings which cannot reconciled.

I dunno -- that's the case with most good movies, I think.

If you really want a minority opinion, i feel about goodfellas the way the recent detractors feel about this

a literal wild west setting for all intents and purposes

Casino has always struck me as being about what happens when you remove family and ethnicity and ethnic neighborhoods from American life, and this feels a bit the same way. Post-neighborhood.

i may go too far here but Goodfellas almost seems staid and classical compared to the madness of this movie. it's pleasures are rather straightfoward, its "moralism" easily digestible (of the having and eating cake variety).

― ryan, Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, after almost 25 years of tributes, homages, and ripoffs, it's absorbed enough in our minds that it kind of <is> classical if not staid now.

i don't think you can really characterize goodfellas as "staid"

I wasn't, but I'm phone posting and could have phrased better.

both this and american hustle seemed to be actors having a good time play-acting wearing funny facial hair and costumes, with only louie c.k. actually embedded into the movie world.
american psycho was like that too, except with chloe sevigny as the only real inhabitant.

"staid" or not, it's always struck me as one of the more ingratiating of scorcese's films.

(i should add that i love it anyway, of course)

i keep reading goodfellas was supposed to be a comedy, but even the joe pesci clown scene isn't played like one. every scene in wolf feels played like I should watch out for danny mcbride to pop out of the corner.

it's a comedy AND a drama

beat that!

you mean like Noah?

That's why I stayed off this thread for the most part--saying how much you hate something over and over becomes shrill and tiresome itself very quickly. I'd much rather be on the other side, defending something I love.

man, when it goes from them in the storm-tossed ship, cuts to the ladies dancing with the italian rescuers, and then leo sees the rescue plane blow up and doesn't say anything... it's moments like that just won my heart

also the scene with coach taylor is definitely the best movie convo of the year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Md3sFW4AM

def. fewer bikini models in the real thing.

also the scene with coach taylor is definitely the best movie convo of the year

who is coach taylor?

friday night lights

cmon mayne

never seen it

but oh yeah, that was the best scene for sure. where they meet on belfort's yacht?

ya

you should watch FNL ams

That scene is some script judo, just flipping it.

its all about coach's eyes in that scene

I wonder who Coach will play in the monk movie

if it's the art monk movie, he should play "coach"

Coach was wonderful in The Spectacular Now.

otm

I lasted about 4 minutes with The Spewctacular Now

the spewtacular not now

u_u

Those are probably the worst four minutes of that film, fwiw.

Coach's scenes? gtfo

No, the opening sequence.

well, yeah

the unspectacular then

Genuinely shocked at how enjoyable this was

Genuinely shocked at how terrible this was

yeah, it was ultimately kinda boring.

but loud boring

i'm more shocked at the number of smart ppl who can't recognize its badness.

I'm just genuinely shocked

I'm just shockingly genuine.

i think everybody recognises this film's 'badness' - it is a brash film almost fully dedicated to cataloguing badness - & thinks it employs it meaningfully

More meaningfully than in Goodfellas at any rate.

& thinks it employs it meaningfully

Not everybody, schlump.

This is a great movie & u r all insane