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rrobyn thx

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(rrobyn a friend and I were just talking about this same feeling, but this poem captures it much better than we could. thanks.)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

So glad to see this one movin' again!

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

[...]
I will walk up the road behind the house
& think of a young boy running in & out
through the doors of darkness, calling his
friends by name; his friends call back, leaping
into the tall grass to meet him.

I return to the house. From a window, a woman
shouts for the boy to come in.

I feel sorry for her
like the fool that I am,
like the man I will never be.

-Pier Giorgio Di Cicco

Fred (Fred), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!

[...]

-To A Mouse, On Turning Her Up In Her Nest With The Plough

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 11 September 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Woo, I bought Alice Oswald's Dart and Sarah Wardle's Fields Away for £2.94 yesterday :)

I have poems to be writin' after my camping trip (head is full of sheep mainly) but in the meantime:

We, too, had known golden hours
When body and soul were in tune,
Had danced with our true loves
By the light of a full moon,
And sat with the wise and good
As tongues grew witty and gay
Over some noble dish
Out of Escoffier;
Had felt the intrusive glory
Which tears reserve apart,
And would in the old grand manner
Have sung from a resonant heart.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

In the jangle and smecksheck of the social
I do the decent do-si-do, I say Hello,
How's it going? Not too bad, yourself?
I mingle and pay my dues.
I crinkle and share my views.
In the jangle and smecksheck of the social
I walk strafed by the flak of smiles
and the dart-smart of glances,
nodding and lauding and helping to weave
the enclosing tapestryification
that butters the toast of the social.

{The first lines of a new Mark Halliday poem.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 13 September 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice. 'I crinkle'!

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 September 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm so poetry-free these days. what should i be reading?

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 13 September 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Cereal boxes.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Touris, white man, wipin his face,
Met me in Golden Grove market place.
He looked at m'ol' clothes brown wid stain ,
An soaked right through wid de Portlan rain,
He cas his eye, turn up his nose,
He says, 'You're a beggar man, I suppose?'
He says, 'Boy, get some occupation,
Be of some value to your nation.'
I said, 'By God and dis big right han
You mus recognize a banana man.
[...]

-Evan Jones

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(Incidentally, although this is probably not the right thread for it, I got my first review for Three Voices - only one sentence, of which most was taken up by a quote from one of the poems - but still! I am 'laconic' apparently.)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The night started cold -
Too cold, and it got colder:
A night for murder.

Fred (Fred), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Snatch of Sliphorn Jazz"

Are you happy? It's the only
way to be, kid.
Yes, be happy, it's a good nice
way to be.
But not happy-happy, kid, don't
be too doubled-up doggone happy.
It's the doubled-up doggone happy-
happy people... bust hard... they
do bust hard... when they bust.
Be happy, kid, go to it, but not too
doggone happy.

-Carl Sandburg

j c (j c), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I often see flowers from a passing car
That are gone before I can tell what they are.

I want to get out of the train and go back
To see what they were beside the track.

I name all the flowers I am sure they weren't;
Not fireweed loving where woods have burnt--

Not bluebells gracing a tunnel mouth--
Not lupine living on sand and drouth.

Was something brushed across my mind
That no one on earth will ever find?

Heaven gives its glimpses only to those
Not in position to look too close.

-Robert Frost

Fred (Fred), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I still believe in it.

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 9 October 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is fantastic.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll contribute a poem that an English professor made us memorize during my sophomore year of college:

Westren wind when wilt thou blow
The small rain down can rain
Christ that my love were in my arms
And I in my bed again

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(Anonymous)

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

To Live By

Work from the original toward
the beautiful,
unless the latter comes first
in which case
reverse your efforts to find
a model worthy of such
inane desire.


Even the mouth's being
divided into two lips is
not enough to make words
equal themselves.


Eavesdroppers fear
the hermit's soliloquy.


Wake up, wound, the knife said.

--Bill Knott

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 23 October 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"My own prejudice is in favour of poets whose worlds are not too esoteric. I would have a poet, able-bodied, fond of talking, a reader of newspapers, capable of pity and laughter, informed in economics, appreciative of women, involved in personal relationships, actively interested in politics, susceptible to physical impressions." (Louis MacNiece)

cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i really like that bill knott poem, bnw. thanks.

j c (j c), Monday, 25 October 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"So fuck you, Larry Eigner." (Louis MacNiece)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"You too, Emily Dickinson." (Louis MacNiece)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I have been using macniece's obiter in interviews recently, inverting poet into lawyer and dropping the able-bodied as unnecessary.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This Is A Photograph Of Me
Margaret Atwood

It was taken some time ago.
At first it seems to be
a smeared
print: blurred lines and grey flecks
blended with the paper;

then, as you scan
it, you see in the left-hand corner
a thing that is like a branch: part of a tree
(balsam or spruce) emerging
and, to the right, halfway up
what ought to be a gentle
slope, a small frame house.

In the background there is a lake,
and beyond that, some low hills.

(The photograph was taken
the day after I drowned.

I am in the lake, in the center
of the picture, just under the surface.

It is difficult to say where
precisely, or to say
how large or small I am:
the effect of water
on light is a distortion

but if you look long enough,
eventually
you will be able to see me.)

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

And is 'appreciative of women' necessary?

xpost

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, that bit too I have changed, to 'people'.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

no-one has offered me a job.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

that margaret atwood poem is one I love and it is strange to see it again, here of all places. it is a poem that I love from a time when I was falling in love and it was part of the big, unco-ordinated apparatus of desire that too hold of me, a long while ago now. I didn't know its name nor author, it's queer to read it again, three years later, out of love now, but still falling.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Long walks at night--
that's what good for the soul:
peeking into windows
watching tired housewives
trying to fight off
their beer-maddened husbands.

-Charles Bukowski

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

If you stare at the poem long enough, you will see your love, etc.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

yes

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The Gateway

Now the heart sings with all its thousand voices
To hear this city of cells, my body, sing.
The tree through the stiff clay at long last forces
Its thin strong roots and taps the secret spring.

And the sweet waters without intermission
Climb to the tips of its green tenement;
The breasts have borne the grace of their possession,
The lips have felt the pressure of content.

Here I come home: in this expected country
They know my name and speak it with delight.
I am the dream and you my gates of entry,
The means by which I waken into light.

--- AD Hope

Archel (Archel), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I meant to post this, more seasonal, one, but I like the above too.

Winter Love

Let us have winter loving that the heart
May be in peace and ready to partake
Of the slow pleasure spring would wish to hurry
Or that in summer harshly would awake,
And let us fall apart, O gladly weary,
The white skin shaken like a white snowflake.

-Elizabeth Jennings

Archel (Archel), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anybody care for this "verse w/ line breaks" movement that has taken over much of contemporary poetry (American, at least)? I have to say when I see something that looks like this, I am instantly repelled. I read the first couple stanzas, liked them, and then could feel the poem wandering off. That feeling + the length + the fact I can see names of characters and dialogue makes me not want to read it AT ALL. Am I just lazy?

bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you mean *prose* with line breaks?

Archel (Archel), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

If yes, then no I don't much like it - the words should be CHOSEN and should do some WORK, dammit - but then there is some poetry which appears to be prosey in that way but on closer reading isn't at all.

If no, then I'm not sure I understand the question.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Er i meant prose with line breaks, obv. Too much coffee. There was a really vicious article on webdelsol a couple years ago condemning a lot of contemporary poetry for this offense. Pretty much every tool of poetry is cast aside: rhyme, meter, fragments, etc. And the only thing making these "poems" is that they have line breaks, and not even those are really utilized to any effect. I guess I don't really understand the aesthetics of this approach.

(interesting tidbit/bragging: I talked to Dorraine Laux a bit about that article when I met her.)

bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(hate to stall out this thread on my negativity so...)


Public Address (excerpt)

[...]
The screen goes blank, all that was

etched there in light--a flashbulb's
thumbprint in the back of the skull.
Sometimes we only die, sometimes
champagne corks fly from our wounds.

The coldest day of the year and still
there's flowering. The lovers' bodies,
once long grass, strike and strike each other.
How else control fire but to make your own? A dye

must be squeezed from the poisonous berries,
the sand melted translucent. each work
an evasion, secret, clue, the subject always
missing just as the dream is never

inside the sleeper but rises above like
a sweet scum above boiling milk, the body
like a dead body but warm, inviting,
arousable. Who has not looked down the throat

of an orchid into color that can't be seen
like the cosmic black humming behind
noon blue? We want only to be admitted.
We want only to be left out.

Dean Young

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The poetry journal doodah that I edit had a fairly strict policy for years of no poems with any sort of linebreaks. That policy got softened at one point but I somewhat regret that. Anyway, I don't understand why have the poems on this thread have line breaks -- many of them I think would be better without. (There's only one line break in that last poem that I think adds anything by having a line break.) (Although of course that poem has much more interesting rhythm than the poem you linked to.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I think there's definitely a place for line breaks - why have a page at all if you can't make use of its space around the poem - but they need at least as much thinking about as everything else.

When I've got my editor hat on, nothing sets the alarm bells off so quickly as randomly placed line breaks, put in just because the 'poet' is dimly convinced that poetry has line breaks.

(Then again, with some of the dodgy things that email can do to formatting, it's often anyone's guess where the line breaks are intended to be, if anywhere.)

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally (I still feel like an arse mentioning it on this thread, but where else?) my book has got some reviews lately and I was particularly pleased with this impenetrable comment: 'writes mainly on the explosions and uncertainties when edging in and through and out of intimacies'. Nice-sounding gibberish always a good sign in reviews, I think.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Well done, Archel.

That sentence sounds not wholly grammatical, yet still sufficiently suggestive.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, I don't understand why have the poems on this thread have line breaks -- many of them I think would be better without.

I think what I'm talking about are those "prose w/ line breaks" pieces that seem to use breaks in such a way that disregard them as being a pause or an emphasis on the line's effect as an independent part of a larger whole.

I'd agee that ultra-conventional breaks are probably nothing to pat yourself on the back for either. They're worth experimenting with.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Did I really write "have the poems"? I meant "half". Dear God.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Apologies for exceeding the ten-lines rule, but I couldn't decide which bits of this to quote.

CLAIRE BATEMAN
MONOGRAPH

It would later be said of our era
that even the boring parts were interesting,
& vice versa.

Without the least trace of irony,
officials christened space shuttles
after doomed & sunken
cities of yore.

Nearly all of us
constructed dashboard altars
upon which we lavished
particular & minute devotions
as we cruised past scenes
that seemed to represent disaster’s aftermath
but almost always resolved
into simple sequences of yard sales—
derelict undergarments & mattresses
exposed on sullenly tilting lawns—
each just another item on the ever-growing
list of events not to be taken
personally.

For their arcane significance,
we pondered signs such as these:

IF YOU LIVED HERE YOU'D BE HOME RIGHT NOW!

&

GOD SEES EVERYTHING, EVEN YOU READING THIS SIGN!

Though the varieties of available lip-gloss shades
& the total number of famous people in history
were exponentially increasing
so that it became ever more difficult
to distinguish plum from maroon
or the living from the dead,
it still took approximately
the same six years
for a single exhaled breath
to become evenly mixed with the atmosphere.

For none of us was it ever clear
whether that rumbling sound we kept hearing
was static or heartfelt applause.

Everyone was professionally lonely,
yet we ceased not our shining.

Many aspired to but did not actually achieve
the office of Notary Public.

This was not considered a tragedy.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

one from poetery daily today, I like the 8th line especially.

Seen

In your field of vision, there is a place where no image is fixed,
where injury carved its cave of nothing,
gathered blackness around a splinter's wooden slip.
One eye, you say, scans the world.
The other examines the self's invisible wanting.
In that equation, I believe myself to be
the point connecting one destination to another,
somewhere you paused to draw lines to the next warm station.
I emit no light, no heat
but gather, in cupped hands, what fell to the ground
when limbs were shaken by your grasping wind.

Mark Wunderlich

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 7 November 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

So I'm introducing some poets tonight at a reading. Does anyone have any suggestions as for how I should introduce them?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

chris
acrostics
sometimes
usher
in
simple
truths
random
yearnings

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link


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