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How conservative is the workplace?

carl agatha, Monday, 7 April 2014 15:57 (eight years ago) link

I don't know! My first 2 interviews were over the phone!

It's Financial which usually means conservative (though not my last job, they made it casual deliberately!) but more salient, it is occasionally client-facing. I feel like I should go in what I consider appropriate, and if that doesn't work for them, well, it's clearly not the role for me.

Branwell Bell, Monday, 7 April 2014 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Fair enough. You should definitely wear the color combo that you feel most comfortable in, then. I think for a very conservative industry like finance, the subtle differences between Weimar lesbian, Interpol bass player are going to be lost on them.

carl agatha, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:00 (eight years ago) link

I guess if I'm going to code as some species of "freak" to them, what specific species is the sartorial equivalent of quibbling over semantics. What matters is if they can deal with "freak."

Freak and be damned.

Branwell Bell, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:06 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, not to be too blunt but if they hew to the standard finance industry approach to most things, they are going to be too busy processing the fact that you are wearing a tie to worry about sartorial semantics. But I think it's a good way to weed out employers, and I'm a big proponent of wearing clothes that make you feel confident and powerful in interview situations. Good luck! You are going to look fabulous.

carl agatha, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:14 (eight years ago) link

Thanks! You're right "confident & powerful" is the best look.

Am now going to wear this to the interview:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HhXrxliETbA/Tefnumd-yiI/AAAAAAAAAJY/m4eoKxlHby0/s1600/tumblr_l2oocolhxB1qa49ego1_500.jpg

(not really ha ha, that's just the first GIS for "Weimar Lesbian" and now I really want a red waistcoat. Again.)

Branwell Bell, Monday, 7 April 2014 17:27 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Girls, boys, art, pleasure...

http://www.dapperq.com/2014/06/100-most-stylish-dapperqs-2014/

Armani, Armani, Ah-Ah-Armani...

Puffin Party (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 14:26 (eight years ago) link

SO MUCH GOOD HAAAAIR.

That photo riot plus carl's article about buying a suit for a curvy body on a budget have really perked me up. Also I cut even more of my hair off last week and now it really is butch and I've been struggling with being "not-pretty" for a few days but I'm starting to feel it again now.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 14:54 (eight years ago) link

To be clear I'm a completely cis hetero woman, but I feel better and more myself when I present less feminine-ly and in ways that are more accepting of my physical body and strength qualities. But I also struggle with letting go of the societal approval you get for being "pretty," which I can be if I dress up and make myself up. I've been moving the needle on this a lot by playing with various Robyn-esque/"high and tight" haircuts.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 15:01 (eight years ago) link

I think I have come to the conclusion (after a year of being too poor to get my hair cut) that the world of Good Hair is just not for me. I am going to be a shaggy hippie until the day I day and that's naught to do with gender (my father has hair longer than I do!) and just my total inability to get to a hairdresser more than once every two years.

That other piece I posted on the trans* thread has got me thinking about the class aspects of Butch vs Dapper, which, I dunno if that is a helpful way of looking at it or not. (I've always been more drawn to dapper than to butch, and I don't know if that's about class, or if it's about rejecting certain aspects and expectations about masculinity. Hmmmm.)

Puffin Party (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:37 (eight years ago) link

can someone link me to the article about buying a suit for a curvy body on a budget? is it in this thread?

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 22:50 (eight years ago) link

It's in the girl's thread. One moment please.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 22:53 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

This kinda is, but kinda isn't on topic, because it's not about Style as such but it's about trans-masculinity, and the things that cis men can learn from trans-masculinity, but either way I thought it was great (though of course the men who need to read it most will never actually bother).

https://cnlester.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/what-cis-men-could-learn-from-trans-masculinities/

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 09:09 (seven years ago) link

Stealing that for my street harassment group's masculinity project work.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 13:27 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

crosspost -- Fran Lebowitz! on fashion, and stuff!

I always wore 501 Levi's. They used to make them in San Francisco. Every size was the same size, which sounds obvious, but you would be surprised—and then, I don't know, at some point during globalization they started making them in Mexico, and like every other thing they branched out to places you'd never heard of. So now every single size of Levi's is a different size. They cost less, too, which doesn't make any sense. I wish that real estate were cheaper and clothes were more expensive. But that's what young people want: $2 T shirts that fall apart in the wash....

When we were young, we knew things. We knew basic history, even as it related to fashion. Now, when something reappears, an 18 year old has no clue that it's a revival. Despite the fact that they're almost always online they don't get references.

http://www.elle.com/fashion/personal-style/interviews/a27447/fran-lebowitz-style-interview/

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:19 (seven years ago) link

Designers now, they all have these things called mood boards. I suppose they think a sense of discovery equals invention. It would be as if every writer had a board with paragraphs of other writers—'Oh, I'll take a little bit of this, and that, he was really good.' Yes, he was really good! And that is not a mood board, it is a stealing board.

I loled

GGGOAT: greatest goat game of all time (Will M.), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:45 (seven years ago) link


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