a thread of serious discussion re ethan's permaban for image spamming

shit is like the wild west out here

haha ok that kind of funny actually

this is stupid. make s-bans temporary or the board will be destroyed.

^

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Haha Ethan himself was totally defending the suggest-ban system when it came to Gabbneb.

this is stupid. make s-bans temporary or the board will be destroyed.

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, March 5, 2009

this is not a good argument btw

:(:( :( :(

For the record, the mods are not going to keep Ethan permanently banned.

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Hahaha but DAN:

never get rid of suggest ban, we're finally getting to the event horizon where all the tards are dropping like flies

― [.]¿[.] (and what), Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

guess what, being an unpopular dick makes you more likely to taste mod, democratic bans just cut out the middle man

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 2:04 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im all for everyone from ilx eventually getting banned btw

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 1:53 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if an asshole like me can only have 30 and change theres no excuse

― 'lop chalpagne (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 1:53 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't really think I'm the only one who thinks posters shouldn't be banned just for being irritating. Or at least I hope so.

― Tuomas, Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:28 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you are

― bobby dijindal (and what), Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:29 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

etc. etc. etc.

He would have WANTED it that way

suicide by 'llop

I mean I know no one is really clamoring for my opinion on this, but I guess today is your special lucky day.

First off, I admit there is probably some other level of personal grudges and other shit going on via AIM and email (i never really email or IM with other ILXors except like dan, ned, and JJ a few times).

But for me these last couple of weeks with all the bans has been pretty deflating. I understand that everyone understood the rules, and this is policy, etc etc....but to me the larger question is what the policies and bans are accomplishing?

To me, and this would even be with regards to like gabbneb or burt stanton (if he is banned you need a scorecard to keep track of them), is that yeah sometimes I would go nuts on some insane shit that tuomas would say like the masturbating in front a baby thing, but you know...those were MEMORABLE threads, they had a lot of LOLS, and for me the trainwreck argument threads like the recent Kevin Smith one are WAY more memorable and fun to me than say some polite watercooler bullshit.

I guess it's how you conceive of the board, for some it seems to be like a dinner party for friends and there's an instinct to ban anyone that disturbs the peace...

for me it's more of a online bullshit session, with people having fun, talking smack,...I don't really see how the board as a whole will be MORE interesting or fun to read and post on without some of these "controversial" personalities.

What has been accomplished? Not much from my perspective.

Like okay I def got along w/ethan and I could totally understand that he was a total prick at times to ppl..but..

i am basically here cuz i'm a music nerd and ethan was super passionate in a real way about music and the stuff he liked, and he had a genuine deep knowledge of the stuff he liked. could he be overly abrasive sometimes, sure? but honestly how many other people on ILM have such a weird/awesome/unique musical worldview...like he'd go from freaking out about indie rap to posting a thread for Ned about some obscure A-Ha techno remix?

Even Dom, who's clearly batshit, was funny and entertaining! I mean, let's be honest we're not exactly forming deep relationships with everyone here, it's a bit of "hey let's kill a slow day at work" and dom made me laugh, with him, at him, whatever.

I would say the same about gabbneb...he was interesting to me.

At the current rate, it seems like every marginally interesting/controversial poster is going to be gone.

yeah this kinda blows you don't want a board with nothing but people like me

when gabbneb was SBed i was like wtf, b/c i'd never interacted with him outside of maybe a couple of threads, and he'd seemed perfectly pleasant, i assumed it was some mean-spirited vendetta at first. and then someone explained what he was like on threads i didn't read. i think a bit of that may be going on here, too.

M@tt, the thing missing from your position is the fact that mods can undo bans. The only thing that makes a permanent ban permanent is that it has no automatic expiration date; mods can reverse them at any time.

I would be surprised if most of the people you list aren't back on the board before April. And yes, there are some interactions going on that are not in your posting experience.

but dan not sure how the fact that mods can undo bans is supposed to make the rest of us feel

It's supposed to make you feel like "permanent" bans do not necessarily mean you will never see poster X again.

perhaps the SB system is more something that causes the mods to subsequently judge the banned poster to see if it should in fact be permanent?

well yeah, but if these go away, it is important to realize that the only option is for mods to make these decisions, and i for one am not of the character to just stand back and have personal shit thrown at me and say "aw gee guess thats what i signed up for", because it isnt.

i mean i know how much some people used to love clowning on tombot, but if someone responded to every decision i made on the board with accusations that i was an asshole and a drunk, i would not have shown nearly the restraint that he did.

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perhaps the SB system is more something that causes the mods to subsequently judge the banned poster to see if it should in fact be permanent?

This is the way I've been looking at it; that's not a formal policy so I don't feel comfortable stating definitively "yes, this is what it is supposed to do" but, quite frankly, I don't think anyone wants a situation where no one can reverse a ban automatically enacted by software.

Perhaps I should have stated my position on this elsewhere; I didn't because a) I am not "the leader of the mods" and don't want to speak for them without reaching some form of consensus, and b) the point seems self-evident and obvious to me and I thought it would be kind of insulting to everyone's intelligence to state it.

so maybe the 51 should trigger a mod discussion about the poster and course of action rather than an automatic ban and the mods having to say "yeah we're taking a look at it"?

cause as long as those automatic bans are happening we're gonna be having regularly scheduled ILX clusterfuck days.

It's either on as it is now, or off.

yeah that's what we need now is a function on ILX to trigger MORE discussions about the suggest ban feature

well since the mods are already taking this course of action my point is that maybe it should not be public until they've decided if the person is gonna get to come back or not. or have you enjoyed ilx so far today?

I have!

but I couldn't care less about any of the mod shit or who's banned or not banned or who's been sending nasty e-mails to each other. couldn't care less about the regular "but what does ILX as a community MEAN" type threads.

that's just me though.

so um how do I look up how many people have SB'd me haha....

dude how are they going to "not make it public"

recode the feature? how the fuck should i know?

all i'm saying is that if ethan has been banned but the mods talked about it and he'll probably come back then the whole site got clusterfucked today for basically no reason.

or i guess 'the second half of today's clusterfuck'

^^^posts that totally help ilx not be a clusterfuck

1) The site got "clusterfucked" largely because of Ethan spamming a bunch of threads.
2) Most of the ongoing discussions today have not been about Ethan's banning, or Dom's banning.

Ten to fifteen people are screaming very loudly about this in as many places as they can while most of the rest of the posting population is doing their own thing. It's only a clusterfuck because you're following the clusterfuck threads.

tbh i would have preferred the "what do balearic listeners look like" clusterfuck over this one

recode the feature!!! snip snap just like that get to it you lazy bums. of course keep in mind that when these things weren't appearing on an admin log as soon as they occurred a separate set of ppl whined about it so figure out a way to make both things happen ok.

the site got "clusterfucked" because dom passantino, who is not going to be coming back, at all, was banned and ethan threw a bitchfit over it and hilariously started spamming every single thread on the board! no matter what happened it was going to devolve into a hot mess, dude. most of the ppl over here right now are doing this for laughs.

max go kneejerk yourself in the face already, i believe you were asked to do so over an HOUR ago and you're still here posting.

cmon schef you know i didn't mean it like that.

xpost dan i hear you and i think you're doing a really great job today.

maybe it's overly posi or naive to think that participation in these threads is indicative of investment in the site? i honestly think that most people who have been involved in this discussion are interested in ensuring that this kind of stuff doesn't continue to happen, which under the current system it most certainly will.

suggest clusterfuck

lol i know i'm just messin with u

honestly i'm just involved in this discussion because i'm hungover, not wanting to do my real actual job, and i find this hilarious

s'cool i just dont want to be confused with being a mod scold!

and yeah this is most of my day because i haven't had any actual work to do for about a month.

Right this debate is totally impossible to follow so I'm locking all the threads and keeping this one open. If you want to continue arguing, by all means use this thread.

every time you post, i become more galvanized in my support of suggest bans just to spite you.

― panfalutin' (jjjusten), Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:04 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is sort of a rude thing to say, for a mod

rude isn't the word that comes to mind for me.

taking this here coz of lockage:

Also this:

"like one of the board's most recognizable posters was banned and it was expected that people would just continue to chat about lost or prince vs. bowie or something?"

Like YES THEY ARE. All over the boards right now! Dozens if not hundreds of them!

― Roque Santa Gold (Matt DC), Thursday, March 5, 2009 8:41 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this just isn't true, is it?

ilx may have thousands of registered voters, but there's a core of lifers and their views are more important than the randoms. many of the lifers hate each other, though, and eventually they will s-ban each other to death -- as has happened with ethan and tuomas -- leaving the board to go to seed.

im not disputing that dom is a terrible sociopath but he's also one of the people who makes the board a funnier place, and should be let back eventually imho.

yes i am glad you took my serious comment seriously max

So this has hit:

l0u1s jagg3r
deeznuts
gabbneb
tuomas
ethan
(plus Dom for good measure.)

Did I miss anyone?

the late_great burt_stanton

also dom was not the person who had 10 socks to s-ban tuomas. dan seemed pretty blase that this was possible, but it will end up with lots of people getting got.

My opinions on certain bands is in no way an opinion on you J0rdan S. In fact this is the first time I have ever mentioned you.
But you mention me in a lot in other threads (some witch end up being removed).
And your comments about me are always something negative ending with "I just sb'd you again captainlorax, everybody please join in".

some witch got banned????

(sorry about the typos there ^xp^ my hands were possessed. I usually proofread all my posts but sometimes I hit submit too quickly when I'm flustered)

lol im confused

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l-r: capt. lorax, mulvaney

wait is mulvaney lorax?

xp hahah

lol sockpuppet outted

hahaha

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why are you confused?

LOL

captainlorax is such a weird dude

in ethan's absence i would like to point out that this is a thread for SERIOUS discussion can we please stick to that

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LOOOOOOL

lol

Plz permabann me modssss i am ssooo drunk the time js right i need ti move on

Ban me. Banh mi. Do itrtttttttttf

luv u treesh

We’re never letting you go

He thinks it's the closing scene from cool hand Luke but it's actually the opening scene from cool hand luke

Surprised I actually posted this.

Also surprised I decided to drink so much last night at my age.

Also why am i not banned

is this poetry?

aw god bless drunky treesh shantih shantih x

if you want a ban you need to be racist drunk, not just stupid drunk

Lol

Threesheets Billboards

there has to be something i can do besides say something racist

Earnestly but naively question whether something is really racist

But you'll have to be quick connect gabnebb to it

Connect/to beat

I don’t want an ignominious ban.

If at all possible I’d like to be banned for an act of heroism.

Take Turrican out in a suicide mish

zapatrísta

Save the racists

The blather the 'son, ' and the holy post

If you think about it, who are the real racists?

treesh, you can always self-deport self-ban, at least for as long as you can stand it. you've done it before, so you know the drill. Or you could confine your SNA to a couple of less-trafficked side boards for a while and see how that works for you. try getting out of the house w/o a phone more often. it helps.

because I appreciate your presence here, I won't fp/sb you.

lol, just seeing this. How about a yellow-card instead?

Intriguing. What do I gain from that?

Membership

two yellow cards = 1 red = 1 match ban laddie

it goes up depending if there was aggression or violence involved

don't listen to "darraghmac"

he is trolling like always

did the get the "hoss" yellow card?

I liked the one I got that said something like "thank you for you contributions to I Love Music" -- can you give me that one again?

Oh yeah, I remember that time. ILAFL had unleashed its trademark japery on some poor innocent ilm thread so I gave you all yellowcards of orchestra student gifts.

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