Y: The Last Man... Hero [NOW WITH UP-TO-DATE SPOILERS] (Brian K Vaughan)

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the baby's sealed in a hermetic chamber, yorick was able to survive without the ring as long as he wore his gas mask.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I forgot about the baby! Hopefully there'll be a semi-decent explanation for all this.

I'll have to look at the first trade and this issue when I get home tonight, but didn't the "old man from Gremlins" shopowner say he brought it back from the Middle East? Or maybe it was just overseas. Anyway, it seems like nazis and Harrison Ford (or reasonable female facsimiles thereof) should be involved somehow.

(x-post, good point Blount!)

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

1) For some reason, I like the idea of a magic ring better than the magic amulet from the first issue. Although that did cause the plague, right? I guess they're part of a set.

Yeah, I dig the ring more, too, and one reason is because I hope it's not connected to the amulet: I can accept (i.e. enjoy) the idea of a world where lots of magical things work, but they're all rare and hardly anyone knows they work and they're hardly ever useful, more readily than one that has One Magic Item/Idea That Drives The Plot. (It reminds me too much of the horror trope where, like, Brazilian Vampires Infest A Small Town Or New York City, and it turns out that the only magical mystical bullhuckey in the world that works is Brazilian Magic -- there's a special spot in Hell reserved for the writers of this stuff.)

2) Not that it's going to happen, but how audacious would it be if Vaughan actually killed off "the last man" in the middle of the series? I suppose they'd clone him or magic him back in a couple of issues though.

Vaughan would get serious points from me if he did this -- which doesn't mean I think he sucks if he doesn't, mind you. But I think it's one of those books where you can do it without it being forced at all, especially if it were to go on for at least 40-50 more issues, so that Yorick would have been present in less than half of the "total story."

3) Cliffhanger speculations? I assume that the agents who stole the ring tracked them to their hideout and will burst in within the first two pages, thus reviving Yorick.

Oh, nice, so it'd be that kind of proximity effect? Femulating all creatures in a 30' radius, etc?

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I can accept (i.e. enjoy) the idea of a world where lots of magical things work, but they're all rare and hardly anyone knows they work and they're hardly ever useful, more readily than one that has One Magic Item/Idea That Drives The Plot.

This is interesting, Tep, it makes me question my basic rule about sci-fi and why I like it, especially in opposition for fantasty for ex. That is, you ask the audience to accept one major change in the world and everything else follows logically from that, as opposed to a lot of magically-charged fantasy worlds where seemingly anything goes (including any sense of tension, if there are deus ex machinas flying all over the place).

Does that make sense? I forgot who I originally heard make the distinction.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure, definitely -- I'm not sure it's true of every story, but that might be a matter of marketing as much as anything else. (You could argue for Star Wars being either science fiction or fantasy by that dichotomy, which is probably as it should be.) Hard science fiction, at least, is more likely to extrapolate from stuff we already accept.

I think "secret history" stories -- which on the fantasy end would include Hellboy and my theoretical Y-where-multiple-magics-work (well, Y's backstory would be secret history, at least) -- kind of have aspects of both, because there's still a central premise of "the fictional world looks just like the real world, but beneath the surface are secrets which we don't know for sure aren't true," so you still have a very different reality claim than in epic fantasy and stuff.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Some of that didn't make sense. I'm all jittery for the ALCS tonight.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

If that's true, Blount, it'd be the very first indication, as far as I can tell, that the plague is airborne. It's airborne and magical? I'm not saying it's not possible, or even not likely, but it seems like kind've an odd combination for some reason.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 06:34 (nineteen years ago) link

But you're absolutely right, he does only keel over when he takes off the mask. I hadn't even noticed that before.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

by the way, what happenned to the woman in the church that yer man was getting jiggy with. Did I miss an issue?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

She's just doing her thang, Vicar. Movin' groovin' etc.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Y just loves 'em and leaves 'em. Except, er, he doesn't, but he made an exception.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Did the Yniverse address what happened to male fetuses? And how whatever happened to the fetuses relates to the astronaut kid?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 14 October 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think in one of the plague day flashbacks they either had a woman doing the "my baby! my baby!" thing, or sitting with blood between her legs or something to indicate that male fetuses died too, but I can't remember specifically or which issue.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link

And as for the astronaut kid, he wasn't on earth, and I guess it was part of the curse or whatever that it kills every male on earth.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And I guess same for the male astronauts, too.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The implication from James Blount's idea is that the male fetuses woudl be fine, until they actually took their first breath.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The blood between the legs is neither here nor there; you don't give birth just because your fetus dies, so to speak.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:42 (nineteen years ago) link

the male astronauts died in the crash, all of them were prepared for some sort of protocol that presumed bio/chem disaster ie. none of them were looking to breathe the air when they landed (i can't remember if they showed the female astronaut breathing contaminated* air or not)(in any case she's sealed up now). a fetus could receive the pathogen from the mother thru vertical transmission, a miscarriage is by definition giving birth to a nonviable fetus although i don't know if miscarriages happen automatically with fetus nonviability.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 14 October 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

They don't.

Warning: do not follow link. Go have nice cup of tea instead.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:04 (nineteen years ago) link

alot of this is me talking myself into allowing myself to continue believing (or taking for granted more like it) that the plague was caused by a virus/germ/etc. and not the curse of king tut's humidor or whatever. the various possibilities broached - cloning prompted it, the crossing of hammurabi's kegelcisor into greek airspace - left the potential reasons vague and ambiguous, which was fine enough by me: too much explanation leads to midichlorians and klingon bibles - no thanx. the appeal of the comic (and most other non-indie comics really) for me is taking the implausible (what if a plague wiped out every mammal (animal? i forget) with a y chromosone cept some dude and his pet monkey?) and approaching it plausibly (ok, what if a plague did wipe out every blah blah blah? what would happen?). focusing on the implausible thing that got the ball rolling or, (potentially) worse, making it even more implausible ('what if a plague wiped every animal with a y chromosone cuz of a mummie's curse cept a dude and his pet monkey survived cuz he had a magic ring?')(i'd read that comic actually - the monkey seals it - but i don't think that really works for this comic) takes the eye off the ball. realistically if some anti-dude virus/curse did happen the most important task would be isolating what caused it and figuring out a cure/reversejinx. manufacturing more dudes would be simple enough - there are sperm banks (in the short term men are now superfluous to the future existence of mankind, whereas if women were wiped out humanity itself would die out in a century)(unless new science came along). the one lingering question i've had thru all this though is: what happened to the hermaphrodites?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

focusing on the implausible thing that got the ball rolling or, (potentially) worse, making it even more implausible ('what if a plague wiped every animal with a y chromosone cuz of a mummie's curse cept a dude and his pet monkey survived cuz he had a magic ring?')(i'd read that comic actually - the monkey seals it - but i don't think that really works for this comic) takes the eye off the ball

Blount way, way OTM. Sometimes I feel like Y is sort of on probation because it seems sort of constantly at risk of making the wrong choice. It hasn't yet, so maybe that's not fair, but you know.

Most hermaphrodites would be dead, the ones with Y chromosomes, but the real question is did it kill the papayas?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

B-b-but papayas are delicious!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 October 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
o man whatta copout! it's for the best though

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 3 December 2004 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Awww, I liked it.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 December 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i mean it is for the best since they pulled right up to mystical hoohaw and then ducked out of it with 'he ate some bad soup'. best case scenario since we all get to speculate 'maybe it was the curse of shelbebar!' but we don't have to actually 'goddamit it was the curse of shelbebar, gimme a fucking break'. it seems a bit odd 355 didn't kill the seacaucus seven girl or whatever if/since she knows now about yorick. also i may regret my 'they backed away from the voodoo' comments next issue which promises to REVEAL ALL, MUSTREAD ISSUE, ETC. i'm really curious as to what 'it' could be? what did dr. mann (wakka wakka) figure out by looking at his mask? was there a tampon in it?

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 3 December 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Safewords: tomato soup, peach pits.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 December 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
You guys didn't tell me this comic has a MONKEY in it!!!

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

What if...Yorick is Kamandi?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

a monkey in a DIAPER!!!

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

with a HOLE for its tail!!

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

What, you'd have the tail mingle w/ the feces? For shame!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Does anyone know when book #5 is coming out?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
The last Y issue is !!!

Not that there were any shocking new revelations re: monkey poo or lezzing up, but it was just a really good issue with lots of stuff happening. And some lezzing up.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

And heroin! going the wrong way! across the pacific!!!

Dan I., Monday, 9 May 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah! I hadn't read it when you guys were making all the heroin jokes in the other thread.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

(if it really is heroin...I would hope that Vaughan's infamous love of facts and trivia would steer him clear of these things)

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 May 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Hey, that was the best Y in long time. I think it's because Pia is back on it, wahoo!

And one hyphenated word:
PISS-GUN!

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 4 August 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Was 37 the first issue to actually show The Last Penis?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 15 September 2005 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I think so!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Full frontal Yorick!

Let's not forget that Amerpsand has a willy, too.

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

That's true. The Penultimate Penis.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

With all his clothes off, Yorick looks really short.

ahem (Leee), Saturday, 17 September 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

nurps, have I missed an issue through being in TEH UNITED STATES OF TEH AMERICA? I must look for this in Forbidden Planet.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 17 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Return of Beth, the woman in the church!4 page preview of the latest issue. Reading the trades, so months behind current events in the series. Looking forward to catching up when this issue's collected. Thought this Beth was a cool character for Yorick to meet, after confronting his own death wish.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Issue 40 is not very good.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 8 December 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
NOT READING THIS THREAD FOR FEAR OF SPOILERS, BUT HAVE NOW READ VOL. 4. FUCK IS THIS GOOD.
Though the whole KILL ALL SUPPORTING CHARACTERS AT THE END OF THE ARC IS GETTING KINDA OLD.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I HAted the first trade. but i like ex machina...should i persevere?

molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:41 (seventeen years ago) link

might've bin the art

molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know - i'm thinking if the first trade didn't grab you you probably shouldn't bother going on, the 'zomg what if' concept is the hook of it though now it's become much more 'about these characters' and less 'well this would happen if all the men died'. ex machina i generally don't follow anymore except glancing at trades (though i did follow the recent awesome two-issue prequel), whereas y:tlm i get immediately.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

well i usually like stuff you like so i might have a look. the "about these characters" thing appeals.

molly (bulbs), Friday, 14 July 2006 06:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Enjoyed it. They’ve expanded the world it’s set in interestingly enough.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 11:06 (two years ago) link

Yeah, first two episodes aren’t bad. They made the good choice - and I hope they maintain it - of decentralizing yorick from the narrative and turning him into more of a doofy macguffin..

think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link


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