this year i am going to read the entire works of philip k dick

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Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i have a few more to go before this

i think their realisation that their universe is fictional does not necessarilly entail "i am a character in someone's novel", or, rather, that the apparatus of the author of the grasshopper lies heavy is a way of having the realisation have a meaning beyond that

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that paper - and it does indeed present a plausible way in which we all might be, in some sense, fictional characters. But you should read the link above as well. It starts off pretty coherently, but gets increasingly religiously wacko. But it's entertaining, and gives you a pretty good idea of where he was coming from, and how he thought reality could be a fiction. (xpost)

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I read a few PKD books at one time [Valis, Divine Invasion, A Scanner Darkly), but I found Ubik too distubing. Although I finished it, it left me with a probably baseless worry that his books could mess with your mind if you weren't careful.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM, apart from the baseless bit.

I read VALIS, A Scanner Darkly and Ubik in quick succession and I really wasn't myself for a while afterwards. PKD fucks with your head.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone read Report on Probability A by Brian Aldiss? To my mind it's the last word in multiple/unreal reality scifi. It doesn't fuck with your head as much as PKD but he just takes the idea and runs with it - runs a fucking marathon.

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i read that one. ... i certainly didn't like it at the time. likewise the faux-joycean wordplay of 'barefoot in the head' which i never managed to finish.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The Paul Williams book (Only Apparently Real) is interesting; it's anecdotal and doesn't set out to be a proper biography (whatever that is), but has a lot of detail regarding various incidents in Dick's life.

It is worth reading the short stories, though many of the early ones are obviously practice runs that shouldn't have been published, and wouldn't have been if not for Dick's later fame. Some of the later ones are brilliant though. I think Dick was a natural short story writer; quick, incisive, characters not his strong point... It's a pity all the financial rewards come from novels.

Zora (Zora), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I started having waking dreams while reading Ubik. It was a little disturbing, but I also enjoyed it. I really enjoyed that Carrere biog, but it's flawed. I think I was just hungry for any kind of PKD info. All the stuff about the vault break-in is really interesting and a little upsetting.
I've had the experience of starting up PKD book and realizing about a third of the way through it that I've read it before. It's kind of eerie.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the biography from upthread earlier! more on it, uh, later

hm xpost.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i think their realisation that their universe is fictional does not necessarilly entail "i am a character in someone's novel", or, rather, that the apparatus of the author of the grasshopper lies heavy is a way of having the realisation have a meaning beyond that

I'm still not convinced that they have in fact realized that their universe is fictional. Maybe you're right - it just seems like such a strange idea for a writer to have - but maybe if I read more Dick I would come to expect twists like that. In any case, I think a much more effective passage at conveying the sense of someone coming loose from their reality moorings is the passage where Tagomi is contemplating the piece of wu-filled jewelry and becomes disoriented.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe we've just realised their universe is fictional.

anyway my planned reading order right now has it about a dozen novels away so.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Three Stigmata is for me the ultimate disorienting Dick read. Ubik and Now Wait For Last Year and "Faith of Our Fathers" and "The Electric Ant" are right up there too.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i would like to note how marvellous and unexpected VALIS is, in the context of the rest of the ouevre, just the sudden grasp of tone, humour, dialogue, just, jesus, particularly second or third time, one of the best openings to a novel i have ever read, yeah.

next up:
i) divine invasion
ii) the transmigration of timothy archer
iii) carrere bio
iv) the world jones made*
v) the man who japed
vi) the cosmic puppets

* i got a lovely old panther SF ed of this from my amazon marketplace seller when i was expecting a fugly gollancz reissue. this made me happy.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Getting back to the secondary text question earlier, I can recommend The Shifting Realities of Philip K. Dick for one reason: PKD's plot outline for an episode of Mission: Impossible that's just eye-poppingly insane. Full run-down on the contents are here.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

this year i am going to read the entire works of phillip k dick.

jeffrey (johnson), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

get yr own obsessive-compulsive new year's resolution!

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 4 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

heres a radio program from a couple of weeks ago about PKD. features the PKD robot!
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3SJ6DDR6RGJIA01HLLF0T8S5F9

zappi (joni), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the PKD robot.

does anyone have a copy of 'eye in the sky' they'd be willing to part with that's less hideous than this one?

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i finished VALIS and read the carrere bio, which i don't really know about: it seems really really reductive, and not smart enough about mental illness - it keeps hinging on dick's self-diagnoses (and diagnoses of others!), which is a whole world of wrong. that said it is pretty damn good as narrative, although it makes his novels fit a little too smugly and snugly into his biography. also there's an underdeveloped reader-response gimmick. the section according to a scanner darkly is maybe the strongest; reminds me of we shall all be healed, kinda.

fantastic: dick carried on a correspondance with stanislaus lem which tailed off when he accused "lem" of being a front for the communist-roman conspiracy.

slightly remarkable: 'kevin' and 'david' from VALIS are k.w. jeter and tim powers.

on dick's middlebrow-ness: this kinda seems an oversimplification, given his love-hate affair with his lowbrow vocation, and his fondness for working-class figures and craftsmen. and, you know, fucker read kant. i dunno. there's a mentally ill relative of mine who has a masters in phil. & was once going to get a phd in theology, and these days he can't distinguish that books like 'The Bible Code 2' aren't really, you know, where it ought to be at: and i think that dick's bio suggests something similar, on a more terrifying scale.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 6 February 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Anyone read A Crack In Space?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(checks list) no.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought it the other day, 'cause it looked interesting and I don't usually see it stocked or hear it mentioned.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, no. Not on my shelf.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure if this has come up before - The Religious Experience of Philip K Dick as drawn by Robert Crumb.

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

... meaning I thought I had everything but I haven't got that. Not in a Not on my shelf! kinda way.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Not on my shelf=teh hot new ILB meme.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i just noticed it a few days ago at a bookstore (in a quality paperback edition, no less). i've read most of his books at this point, but there are some that were out of print when i went through my big phase and that must be one of them. there were a few other ones as well in new glossy bindings that previously were only available in mass market editions. i assume this is related to the scanner darkly release? at any rate, i want to read it. have you started it yet, jordan?

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Not yet, I have to finish something else first. I'll post my thoughts when I get to it, though.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Not in a Not on my shelf! kinda way.

Ha, this was how I took it. Not in my name, not on my shelf!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe we should have an all-VALIS thread?

remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Tom - we're almost halfway through the year... how is the project going?

I'm currently in the middle of In Milton Lumky Territory, one of his "mainstream" novels. For some reason I seem to get slightly impatient with his non-SF work (I've read a couple of others). It's okay though - the twist of a guy moving back to his old home town and marrying one of his grade school teachers is interesting.

Has anybody heard anything about new editions that would bring back to print some of his other mainstrean novels, like Humpty Dumpty in Oakland, The Broken Bubble or The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike (which I'm assuming was mainstream novel, but I'm not sure)?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i got sidetracked by the donald barthelme syllabus and crit on joyce and uh having a job, is what happened

i'll get back to it, sigh.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

job, pff, would that stop a pkd character?

Josh (Josh), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Givf list please; read vs not-yet-read

Zora (Zora), Friday, 16 June 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
This weekend I read The Crack in Space. Despite some good central ideas (they find a small hole to an alternative earth where Peking Man became the dominate species), this is really one of Dick's weaker efforts. From chapter to chapter weird pieces of the plot don't match up, or are repeated clunkily, slightly differently - as if Dick didn't recall what he had actually arleady written and wouldn't slow down enough to flip back and double check. The conclusion feels particularly rushed and hacked out, like "time to get this piece of crap over with and to the publisher - need my check."

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

which is the good version of lies inc / unteleported man?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Good luck with "The World Jones Made." It really turned me off of early PKD.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 11 September 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Lies Inc is the "updated" re-write (or whatever) of The Unteleported Man - I don't think either is supposed to be really good. I've read Lies Inc and I can't remember a damn thing about it!

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think Spacecrack was as bad as all that, but my expectations were low and I'm apparently pretty forgiving when it comes to PKD. I agree that it seems kind of tossed off, but for what it is (60's straight sci-fi shot through with Dickian (heh) themes), it's enjoyable.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"spacecrack" sounds like the notion behind a really bad novel by some kind of stephen donaldson - piers anthony hybrid.

i have ordered both lies inc and the unteleported man, as i think reading both might be an interesting experience. thx jeff.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus you are going to read all of them within the next few months.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

look i've been busy okay? i've been busy

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

More like you've been spending too much time with the wrong Dick.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

This weekend I was in a bookstore in Toronto and they had a bunch of Dick books and I nearly bought one because I've never read one and I tried to remember which one I was supposed to get and I thought of this thread and how Tom has not yet read the entire works of PKD and I got sad and didn't buy anything.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

The really substandard, not-really-worth-reading Dick books are, as I recall :

The Man Who Japed (1956)
Dr. Futurity (1960)
Vulcan's Hammer (1960)
The Crack in Space (1966)

Are the short stories still available in 5 volumes? You could probably cut that down to maybe 2 volumes of the really good ones, I'd recommend individual stories but I can't remember which one's which at the momemnt (and I have to go to bed). Maybe tomorrow!

How many film adaptations of Dick are there now? I've seen :

Blade Runner
Total Recall
A Scanner Darkly
Minority Report
Screamers

John Woo made a film version of Paycheck (according to IMDB)?? 3 years ago??? I have no memory of this. There also seem to have been adaptations of Impostor and Confessions Of A Crap artist, and there's some suckass looking version of The Golden Man out soon (called Next) starring Nicolas Cage, great.

Go Tom!

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you mean the film Paycheck with Uma T and Ben Affleck? It was okay.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I enjoyed Dr. Futurity.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
well?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 5 January 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Scanner was the first thing by PKD I read, and though nothing else I've read by him has quite measured up to it, it wasn't a bad place to start. I actually think it gave me a lot more patience with his less coherent books than I would have had otherwise.

So I'd say Scanner, then Flow My Tears, then Valis.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

Had totally forgotten about this thread (incl. my posts), thanks! On ILE, also worth keeping up with: philip k dick C/D, S+D

dow, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link


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