List The Direct References of Stereolab

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Road_Again_(Canned_Heat)

oscar, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

But if you want to talk United States of America, it's Broadcast on their first album that really rips that.

I agree, I'd prefer to keep this to direct references / uncredited samples / lyrical lifts rather than vaguer incorporated influences or else I'd just be Sylvie Vartaning it up over here

first track on Refried Ectoplasm, 'Harmonium', where the 70's DJ spools up a tape which promptly breaks and falls off the reel is lifted from an aircheck of Negativland's 'Over the Edge Vol 4 - Dick Vaughan'

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.indiatomorrow.net/health/images/lemonade.jpg

- le

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

great work, Milton!

sleeve, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

This
http://www.yellowmelodies.com/e-zine/numero5/portadas/Stereol7.jpg

is supposed to be based on the comic series Pravda la Survireuse by Guy Peellaert.
http://www.bedetheque.com/thb_couv/pravda.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yes, this is a nice thread. Milton rocks.

nabisco, do they really reference _À Rebours_? That's one of my favorite books ever.

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

Here are the YouTube dissections of musical origins I was talking about. Apart from a couple things that seem too basic to see as steals (e.g., the Canned Heat), they're mostly pretty clear lifts or pastiches, without too many stretches -- and a couple disappointing "oh man, I can't believe you lifted the melody" parts. Mostly it's rhythmic grooves and feels they're snipping from things and using as a basis for their own stuff.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IrFdR7I_kjM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s9N1uwNEraM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E9iiJy0jWSg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNAO-vqa6R0

Artists mentioned: Faust, Piero Piccioni, Canned Heat, Gal Costa, Krzystzof Komeda, Kraftwerk, Jean-Michel Jarre, Sun Ra, Snapper, Wanderlea, Laurie Anderson, the Association, the Archies, Serge Gainsbourg, Neu!, Silver Apples, Steve Reich, and Plastic Ono Band (as source of "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" bass line -- this was the only one that kinda surprised me!)

nabisco, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost turangalila I'm not 100% sure. 'against nature' is the title in translation and a direct reference would have used the original french. the lyrics do seem to me like a commentary or response to the book, I linked them upthread

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

if it is a reference it's admittedly not a very direct one (though I'm sure they've read it) -- with those lines about 'war', probably something else made the song's orbit as well

I actually liked this translation better, but I went for the pop edition to underscore the reference

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

You're talking about the bass line to "Metronomic Underground," I take it?
Yup, that's what I'm talking about, jaymc.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 25 October 2007 00:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

Milton I can't believe you didn't post this -

http://files.myopera.com/E.%20Driver/albums/35120/JohnCage.jpg

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 25 October 2007 01:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

xxpost Milton

Hmm... yes. "Living fantasy of the immortal"

thanks!

I've actually only read it in Spanish. Going to buy this version you recommend!

Turangalila, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Gastr del Sol opened for Stereolab at the Metro in Chicago back in the mid-90s, and a couple weeks before the show I bumped into David Grubbs at the Hyde Park Kinko's on 57th St. He showed me the gig flyer he was printing up which read "Stereolab - 'John Cage Bubblegum' / Gastr del Sol - 'Steve Reich n Roll'"

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

I didn't actually go that show tho. Dumb! I never saw Stereolab.

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

I HAVE THAT FIRST RECORD!

jaxon, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

it's been so long, but they ripped the bassline for a song directly from a yoko ono tune from her first or second solo album

jaxon, Thursday, 25 October 2007 02:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.zenker.se/Books/the_stars_my_destination.jpg

dad a, Thursday, 25 October 2007 04:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.see.com.au/blog/archives/Darren%20002.jpg

Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 25 October 2007 04:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

Prokofiev's Symphonie Diabolique:
http://website.lineone.net/~dmitrismirnov/image020.jpg

dad a, Thursday, 25 October 2007 04:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51It1cvE6cL._SS500_.jpg

dad a, Thursday, 25 October 2007 05:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

if it is a reference it's admittedly not a very direct one (though I'm sure they've read it) -- with those lines about 'war', probably something else made the song's orbit as well

Well after the lines about war, they've got:
This is the future of an illusion
Aggressive culture of despotism
Living fantasy of the immortal
The reality of an animal

Of course the first line is: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/715CHD055PL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.gif
I wonder if the next three lines are from three other fin-de-siecle sources.

These Robust Cookies, Thursday, 25 October 2007 06:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

One of their tracks is based on "Disco Rough" by Mathématiques Modernes.

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 25 October 2007 09:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Can't think of anything less obvious right now (I thought I was a genius for spotting the 100 Years of Solitude thing once and then googled it and nabisco had already written about it on Pitchfork, thus I lose), but "Enivrez-Vous!" from Peng! takes its lyrics from a Baudelaire prose-poem.

I'd always wondered about some of these! Thanks.

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 25 October 2007 10:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

Maybe someone knows what that French Disco line really is: Bubble Withdrawal?

Mark G, Thursday, 25 October 2007 10:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_Pamela

zeus, Thursday, 25 October 2007 11:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

I have her CD somewhere, it is bats!

Mark G, Thursday, 25 October 2007 11:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

a lot of that youtube series of comparisons are a little on the vague side, but they're fun

I would not have compared 'Emperor Tomato Ketchup' to 'Why?' by the Plastic Ono Band, I'd have used "Les Histoires D'A" by Les Rita Mitsouko

Stereolab guilty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9PWVm0wEQ

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

& I will post these anyway

Sylvie Vartan - Cette lettre-là (1965)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOlx2MxC6eQ

Sylvie Vartan - Par amour par pitié (1966)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3uL8M0svSQ

Sylvie Vartan - Irresistiblement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZCbwg6VmnI

Milton Parker, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Pack Yr. Romantic Mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille

Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.bigoven.com/uploads/margarine.jpg

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 26 October 2007 03:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

that was feeble, sorry

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 26 October 2007 03:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

brilliant thread, that Jirí Trnka film is mindblowing. good work!

has anyone mentioned family fodder yet?, as a general influence and specifically savoire faire and it's uncanny resemblance to (i think) wow and flutter. was it milton who mentioned upstairs somewhere that sterolab steals seem a bit disingenuous? i dunno if i could go along with that, their references generally seem pretty overt, if obscure. i think it's pretty key to the appeal of stereolab that you just know everything is pilfered.

cw, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yet nothing sounds quite like Stereolab. Sort of like a robot made of all sorts.

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

holy shit this thread. overwhelming amount of info. more pls!

CharlieNo4, Friday, 26 October 2007 12:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

What Charlie No4 said above.

thanks, people

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 26 October 2007 12:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

"All good things to come.."

Mark G, Friday, 26 October 2007 12:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

MBV,Spacemen 3, Astrud Gilberto, Nico, Francoise Hardy.

Zeno, Friday, 26 October 2007 13:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Pause" samples the "Swedish Rhapsody" numbers station transmission.
(Numbers stations transmission consist of transient noise bursts with announcements.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVqaoxxsN7Q
More info:
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page30.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station

dad a, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't it be quicker to just list the things that aren't a direct influence on Stereolab?

Like uh........ummmmm........

PhilK, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Corn Flakes

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

You obviously haven't heard the obscure 1996 comp-only track "Kellogg Oberheim Fondle"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Does it count that they play this record sometimes before they go on mean it's a reference, or just a somewhat similar sound?

http://perso.orange.fr/vivonzeureux/Images/familysavoir1.jpg

Soundslike, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm not on board with a lot of these, but ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IrFdR7I_kjM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s9N1uwNEraM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E9iiJy0jWSg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNAO-vqa6R0

-- jaxon, Saturday, 27 October 2007 10:23 (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Some of those are either acknowledged influences (Gane has said Flower Call Nowhere is based on Fearless Vampire Killers, which is obvious when you hear the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH bit) or incredibly tenuous links. Quite a few are disturbingly close though.

Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/photolib/shows/snapper.jpg

keythkeyth, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

And from an NZ domain too.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

You poopheadz, I posted those just upthread!

The really tenuous ones are the things that seem common to a million songs, too common to count as a "steal" even if they're directly referencing the original -- the Canned Heat one is pretty free-floating in the whole world of music at this point, and the Archies one is like, umm, pretty common rhythm guitar sound.

nabisco, Saturday, 27 October 2007 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

now i see snapper, sorry.

keythkeyth, Saturday, 27 October 2007 23:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

CAN seems like the most obvious thing they must have heard, maybe Faust (they initially made something of a splash in the UK press), maybe Schnitzler and Roedelius too idk

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:13 (one month ago) Permalink

they were jacked into the German experimental art scene from the beginning

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:44 (one month ago) Permalink


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