Tusk Vs The White Album

I realized the other day that the song "Tusk" taps into the sort of primal rush that the Animal Collective have done so well recently.

I realized the other day that the song "Tusk" taps into the sort of primal rush that the Animal Collective have done so well recently.

Yeah, I've been noticing a massive similarity between Tusk era Lindsey and Animal Collective. Especially on Ledge and That's Enough for Me. Who's with me?

I've always imagined AnCo covering the song "Family Man" would be a really good fit. And also been trying to think if anyone current sounds like Tusk-era Lindsey.

Tusk isn't nearly as scary as The White Album

This is not in poll format but the answer is obviously TUSK at least on ILM.

(And it is one of the reasons I prefer this forum over many others)

the answer is tusk in real life too

tusk by the dead c is best
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:24 (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM!

I love Tusk and the White Album is far from my favourite Beatles album so I might go with FM on this one.
Still I'm not sure there's anything I love as much as "Dear Prudence" on Tusk... "Sara" would come close.

Unfashionable answer: White Album. I like Tusk a lot but to me it feels a bit like listening to four albums on shuffle, whereas WA is more of a lucky dip, like the best double-albums should be

WA is my favorite album of all time, pretty sure it's not going anywhere. even the tossed off tracks i consider legendary.

Tusk is really good though. i got into it last year. "Save Me a Place" and "Sarah" are so great. i love the sloppy diy feel of it all.

tusk

the appeal of a double album is it gives the artist an ability to stretch out, and if Rumours for example is the center of a wheel, Tusk is a collection of all these adventures up and down the various spokes of that wheel. I pick The White Album because it goes much farther out & it's so much stranger and scarier like I said, also longer... its working title A Doll's House makes perfect sense, reminds me of the Fassbinder quote about his filmography: “I hope to build a house with my films. Some of them are the cellar, some are the walls, and some are the windows. But I hope in time there will be a house.” The White Album is that house.

Tusk is one of the best Fleetwood Mac albums.

The Beatles isn't one of the best Beatles albums, and probably - when it comes to the crunch - their weakest "proper" studio album 1965-1969.

Well, that was easy.

there's at least 4 or 5 songs on TWA i don't care much for

i like all the songs on tusk

tusk wins, arithmetic

The Beatles isn't scary at all. Do people actually shit their pants to 'Martha My Dear'? I'm sure there's a name for that condition.

the schizophrenic sequencing of The White Album is what makes it terrifying. Mother Nature's Son followed by Me and My Monkey. Helter Skelter followed by Long, Long, Long. Glass Onion as third track! and of course Revolution 9 into Good Night. it's not scary like a horror movie, it's a vague unsettling paranoia, the comedown from the LSD dreams of Sgt. Pepper and MMT. it's the whiplash between styles & attitudes & personalities that makes it such a beguiling work. And fwiw I wouldn't cut a single song.

I shit my pants when I hear Red Rose Speedway-era Paul songs.

I agree that 'Good Night' sounds a bit strange coming after 'Revolution 9', but I don't really get that vibe elsewhere. Actually, I find a lot of the songs on The Beatles to be quite silly, including quite a fair bit of Lennon's stuff. Take Paul's stuff off the record and there ain't a lot of genre hopping going on there either.

there's at least 4 or 5 songs on TWA i don't care much for

i like all the songs on tusk

tusk wins, arithmetic

― brimstead, Friday, October 27, 2017 12:43 PM (fourteen minutes ago)

otm

I shit my pants when I hear Red Rose Speedway-era Paul songs.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 27, 2017 5:53 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hardly ever listen to Red Rose Speedway, bar 'My Love' ...

i love tusk to death but you can see how the white album could inspire murder when you listen to it. fucking blackbird man. that guitar has killed me for 40+ years. what are ya gonna do? there is majik there.

Actually, I find a lot of the songs on The Beatles to be quite silly, including quite a fair bit of Lennon's stuff.

that's exactly what I was saying. Silliness bookended by intense rock and crazy experiments and somber odes. Total emotional whiplash.

Take Paul's stuff off the record and there ain't a lot of genre hopping going on there either.

Julia / Me and My Monkey / Glass Onion / Revolution 9 / While My Guitar Gently Weeps / Long, Long, Long / Good Night / Piggies / Dear Prudence / Savoy Truffle / Happiness is a Warm Gun. there's a lot going on there

Fleetwood Mac suck this isnt even a contest

the beatles will always be spooky to me. the aura. the production. still bewitches me. me and a million other saddos i guess. but its otherworldly. i kinda can't believe that when they broke up that they all didn't just fall over and die. and when they broke up they just became dweebs. hiding out. pretending to be normal. pretending to be 70's rock stars. there was definitely witchy hoodoo in that band. three guitar line-up of fleetwood mac communed with hoodoo gods though. that's for sure. one listen to those boston tea party tapes will confirm that.

yeah I've always found all Beatles music spooky/scary for lack of a better word. The extreme highs and extreme lows unmatched by any other rock band. My first exposure to them was the 1 collection in 2000- I was 8 years old, and yeah it was instant, alchemical... I loved the music so much, and as my dad told the story and explained everything that happened, how they blew up and then broke up... I think a lot of that is John's murder though. I grew up in Manhattan, and we would drive past the Dakota every day on our way to school. I remember my dad pointing it out that fall and telling the story of what happened in 1980. and then a few years later, getting into Paul is Dead shit and listening to all the 'clues' or whatever... even if it's BS the end of Strawberry Fields is still really creepy.

and obviously this was all reinforced by reading countless Beatles books and bios later on...

Julia / Me and My Monkey / Glass Onion / Revolution 9 / While My Guitar Gently Weeps / Long, Long, Long / Good Night / Piggies / Dear Prudence / Savoy Truffle / Happiness is a Warm Gun. there's a lot going on there

No there isn't. Aside from 'Revolution 9', 'Good Night' and 'Piggies', that's just a series of folk or rock songs.

Y'see, I can't see why The Beatles would inspire murder. I leave that kind of thing to people who read things into music that aren't there. Or the legitimately mental.

Because I gorged on TWA and Beatle lore in my youth, I have more time for Tusk, but after the kids discovered the Wondrous Punkness of Tusk twenty years ago I pulled back from it too. What do I listen to now?

Kidding. I love them both but "Sara" more than anything on TWA.

What do I listen to now?

Tango in the Night, of course!

But yeah, Beatles lore schlore mythology schmythology.

i went to a beatles convention in 1978. the band Apple played. and they had a showing of Magical Mystery Tour. i bought a Black Sabbath record. the future was upon me...

I was big on Tango in the Night before the kids with their Balearic fetishes discovered synth pads.

tusk is great but for me it's hard to deal w/ the rest of the album after the heights of "sara." same goes with rumours and "dreams" tbh

i always just want to go back to those songs

my sister bought me Tusk for Christmas because i loved hearing that song on the radio and when i got the 2XLP i just used to listen to that song! so, it took me some time to be a fan of the rest of it. (i even remember thinking, you could have just bought me the 45...)

The one that I keep returning to on Tusk is 'That's All For Everyone' - it's not much of a song at its core, but the overall sound of it is incredible. Gorgeous harmonies.

and "Brown Eyes"

and "Over and Over"

McVie's on fire on this record.

They all are, I guess.

Yeah, 'Brown Eyes' is the same kind of thing... it's not really a great song, but the production is so incredible that it doesn't matter.

'Over and Over' is an utter classic - love the little drum fill that comes out of nowhere in the outro.

It might not be much of a song but I feel it’s the main influence behind Tame Impala.

what do you mean "not much of a song" turrican? repetition =/= lazy or half-baked. it's a mantra, a song you can live inside. there's a great anecdote in Carol Ann Harris' book Storms (which btw, documents a ton of horrible, horrible abusive behavior by Lindsey) where he had spent a few days off in between legs of the Rumours tour in early 1978 building his home studio. the first thing he did in there was 'That's All for Everyone' - when it was finished, they sat on the floor crying and listening to it over and over again.

When I say it's not much of a song, I mean that it's not much of a song. I said nothing about "lazy" or "half-baked" ... again, you're reading things into things that aren't there.

Turrican: "The overall sound of it is incredible. Gorgeous harmonies."

Flappy Bird: "Wahhhlazyhalfbakedwhatchumean?"

Turrican: "..."

No there isn't. Aside from 'Revolution 9', 'Good Night' and 'Piggies', that's just a series of folk or rock songs.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, October 27, 2017 3:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's an oversimplification- those songs go WAY out into their own worlds, every song on the White Album feels like a separate room in a large house. the paranoid meta-mess of 'Glass Onion' is completely distinct from the clouds-parting optimism of 'Dear Prudence,' and 'Savoy Truffle' is just as much of a bizarre genre pastiche as 'Piggies,' with equally wild production choices (the overdriven horns). 'Happiness is a Warm Gun' is a cut-up masterpiece, and only 2:53 long (!!). even 'Julia' and 'Long, Long, Long', which feature mostly the same instrumentation, are imbued with the personalities and sensibilities of their authors. 'I Will,' 'Julia,' and 'Long, Long, Long' are so much more nuanced than simple folk songs. I could go on and on but the truly captivating and powerful aspect of TWA is its insane sequencing, and the deeply unsettling and unresolved feeling when it's all over. You don't know what to take from it or make of it all.

'Not much of a song,' what do you mean? Lacking in chords? more lyrics?

It's not an oversimplification at all - it's calling a spade a spade, rather than spouting received wisdom from the pages of some Beatle-fellating wankfest book/article, or buying into the mythology and all the bullshit surrounding the music that doesn't even matter.

Now, after forcing myself to read through your post which even fails at being elaborately worded bullshit, here we go...

the paranoid meta-mess of 'Glass Onion' is completely distinct from the clouds-parting optimism of 'Dear Prudence'

This has nothing to do with genre, and 'Glass Onion' isn't really paranoid, although I could perhaps understand why it unsettles the more unhinged end of the Beatle fan spectrum. In any case, a writer writes an uptempo song then a midtempo song... fucking mindblowing, man!

'Savoy Truffle' is just as much of a bizarre genre pastiche

There's nothing bizarre about this song at all. It sounds like a song written and recorded in 1968.

And what "wild" production choices on 'Piggies'? It's no 'Strawberry Fields Forever' ... Jesus, it's not even the outro of 'Itchycoo Park' or 'Bold as Love' ... Overdriven horns? Gimme a break.

'Julia' and 'Long, Long, Long', which feature mostly the same instrumentation, are imbued with the personalities and sensibilities of their authors.

Fucking hell! Songs are imbued with the personalities of their authors! In other news, grass is green! This, like, applies to every song ever written including The Beatles' own entire catalogue. Clutching at straws much?

harvey sid fisher was on my radio show a few weeks ago!
tusk is better

xp It's on vulvaland, samples a bit of the vocals and speeds them up, it sounds really cool