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― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
I assume you mean from the Western Works demo? I'm glad you brought that up actually because this thread made me think of that song "Homage" in the sense that when people say Movement lacks something because it's a "transitional" album, etc. I would say it's "Homage" where they sound rough like they're just getting their bearings rather than on the album itself. It's a good thing they scrapped that song because as much of a fan as I am I've never been able to see the worth in it. I haven't played the Western Works demo in a long time actually because I recall the sound quality being atrocious, but I've pulled it out just now and yes the overall impression is still that they just didn't have their act together yet, it's awful really. Steven's vocals are okay, but only just. He has no problem hitting the notes, but has a pretty high pitched voice compared to the others and (understandbly) lacks confidence.
I like the fact that you've called attention to Hooky's vocals. It's not something I've really given a lot of thought to, actually, but it struck me today what a superb job he really did of it. It's also interesting to revisit the more restrained and consistent approach he takes on the studio version of "Doubts Even Here" in comparison to the live versions I've become accustomed to where he's liable to use a bit more force and volume.
― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link
I was very convinced by mark s's argument that Closer is really the first New Order album (versus Movement being a JD hangover). The two albums seem very connected to me, rather than there being some sort of radical break.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 04:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Logan Edwards, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― f. hazel, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link
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― baaderonixx, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bimble, Sunday, 25 February 2007 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link
Okay so I'm cheating and listening to the Peel Session versions now (that version of "I.C.B." in particular is absolute godhead) but I still say, even after all these years that this album is my favourite of all time. I didn't expect to come to that conclusion so late in the game, really. But here it is again in my life and I just know music never really gets any better than this album for me. Ever. Dare I say even Everything's Gone Green cowers below it?
When I hear this album I just feel like I'm home. That's all I know. It makes me feel like I've come home to something.
― Bimble, Sunday, 16 March 2008 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Everything's Gone Green has been my favourite song of all time for about 10 years now, but after listening to this album heavily for the past week, (Inspired by the talk of an ILXor djing a Halloween party with Movement and nothing else) Chosen Time could very nearly top it. Since nobody has ever re-edited it and doubled it in length I may have to give it a go myself.
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link
there are some wonderful live performances through 82 that capture the vibe of those early synth experiments like EGG and Chosen Time.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
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Do it! I want to hear this. Chosen time has always seemed like an underappreciated gem in their back catalogue (though I know there are people who'll make the same claim for every album track they've got). One of the more successful productions on 'Movement', IMO, with fantastic drums and that incredible outro.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Have just been youtubing looking for some of those wonderful live performances! Also thanks to this thread will be ripping Taras DVD to mp3.
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link
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Is 'Chosen Time' the missing link between traditional drums-guitar-bass-synth stuff like 'Procession' and the first experiments with letting a sequencer lead the way, like 'EGG'? Seems so.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link
it's very fast. i'd say it's nearly 140bpm. high 130s for sure. would make a compelling dnb remix if done in a style similar to black secret technology.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Track down the bootleg of their gig at the Haçienda, 26 June 1982 — VERY fast. Not the best recording I've heard, but the band absolutely tear through the material. 'Denial' is punishing.
I guess I could post the files somewhere, if anyone's interested.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/carnage2/204856356/
This gig!
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, people would be interested!
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm working on it :)
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I will work on the re-edit. Might take a while though, don't want to accidentally make my favourite song suck.
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I guess I could post the files somewhere, if anyone's interested
FUCK yes.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Chosen time seems to be at 162bpm!
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Cerysmatic Factory's info page
Seems that there's some confusion about what songs were played on the Haçienda's opening night, but here's the real setlist:
In a Lonely PlaceUltraviolence (power was cut during the gig, resumed after 20 minutes)Ultraviolence (best performance I've ever heard)DenialThe VillageWe All StandSensesChosen Time5-8-6/Temptation (a pretty sweet segue)
Percussion is overpowering and bass levels are way too high, but it's remarkably clear — I'd take something like this over a soundboard recording. Best listened to LOUD.
Can we post direct links to bootlegs here? It's ready.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
DO IT!
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d44xo6
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link
192 kbps AAC's from a friend 3-4 years ago. Wish I had the original source.
Millsner, you are an almighty dude. Thank you.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, that is fast!
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I just like having other people to gush over the songs with!
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
LOLing at Bernard singing 1 line falsetto during In A Lonely Place :)
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not going to get a chance to listen to this till tomorrow. But I genuinely cannot wait. I might get up early especially.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Haha, punter yelling "brilliant!" in the left channel around 3:40.
It's probably one of the 5 favourite bootlegs in my stash. I'm more than happy to share!
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Excellent version of Denial, Steve playing unbelievably fast, synths sounding otherworldly, heavy echo on Bernard's vox
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Amazing raspy / farty sawtooth bass on The Village. Cool proto lyrics too "It goes up, it goes down" Plus whooping.
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:45 (fifteen years ago) link
It's always the live performances that remind me how kickass and heavy Senses is once it gets going.
― Millsner, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha. Saw them a few times around then, even @ the Hacienda in what I RECALL as the Summer of 82, but maybe it was 83. Every time I've seen them they've gone on about an hour late, and then, every time I've seen them, somewhere in the set I would think to myself, this may be one of the greatest rock bands ever.
That being said, I don't think of myself as a huge fan, and BTW, Bernard Sumner is a huge TWAT.
Thanks for the DL!
― factcheckr, Friday, 5 December 2008 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Have we polled this album? One of these records where each song seems to be my favorite when it plays. Right now it's 'Denial'. I dunno if its my favoirte NO record but I don't think Bernard's guitar never sounded as good.
― baaderonixx, Friday, 5 December 2008 09:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Ok no - The Him is my favorite!
― baaderonixx, Friday, 5 December 2008 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Sure Barney's a twat, but can you handle the MOVEMENT poll?
― Millsner, Friday, 5 December 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
ICB Live 1981
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Chosen Time Live 1981
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm working on posting a New Order 1982/83 set of live stuff here.Uploading as i type.Various sound quality but mostly soundboard.You could assemble your own live show out of it.Here's the tracks.
In a Lonely Place/Temptation/586/ICB/Leave Me Alone/Hurt(2 different versions by accident)/Chosen Time/Truth(2 versions again by mistake)/Confusion/Denial/Your Silent Face/Procession/Ceremony/Blue Monday/The Him/We All Stand/The Village/Age of Consent/Ultraviolence/When I'm With You(Sparks cover!!)/She's Lost Control(actually from 1985..i cheated)
These are warts & all versions & some of the songs are in the early stages of their development.Great stuff & i'll have them up sometime tonight using Divshare.
― captain groovy, Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks, will look forward to hearing those. And thanks also to brotherlovesdub for the videos.
― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Saturday, 6 December 2008 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay 3 folders 3 links 23 songs played live by New Order in 1982/83 in fair to excellent quality.No order to the folders i just bunched them together.And yes they played their early material really fast at times
http://www.divshare.com/download/6014801-102
http://www.divshare.com/download/6014602-0a7
http://www.divshare.com/download/6014212-bd9
― captain groovy, Saturday, 6 December 2008 05:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Bought this on vinyl this week because Dr C is such a convincing apostle and i love other early new order. What put me off buying the album when I was a teenager was a) the blurriness of the vocal presence down in the mix. This occurred for obvious reasons, the rest of the band lacked confidence after IC, but it can be offputting. Doubts Even Here is the strongest song in that sense, so it carries a greater emotional charge. The blurring effect of adding Gillian's voice keeps the mystery intact.b) the density of sound. This is probably due to Hannett's production, brilliant though it is. What happened around the time of Blue Monday and Power Corruption and Lies was the vocal line became clearer, with more confident melodies and lyrics, and the sound became more sparse; more empty spaces.It remains a fascinating piece of work, and I especially love Dreams Never End, Chosen Time and Doubts Even Here. Intere4sting how if prefigures so much 80s indie work. Dreams Never End is the Cure's Inbetween Days, for instance. I'm interested in what Dr C's other 2 favourite New Order tracks are? My money is on Ceremony and Everything's Gone Green. I'm still more in love with PCL than Movement; it retains the experimentation that made their early work so great, but with the beginnings of that pop sensibility that took over later.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 6 December 2008 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link
It's on both the recent-ish Movement reissues (2CD deluxe has the original 7" version and the Definitive Edition has six various demo/live versions) and on the re-remastered Singles compilation.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
You can download the singles here - in the uk anyway
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/interpreter/new-order/download-streaming-albums?s=rdc#results
I think they are on iTunes too
― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link