Let's figure out Dream Theater.

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Disco, I really want you to post some images over on the thread I started...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, we must see the cover of this tweaked-out Setzer monstrosity.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

King Crimson meets Spinal Tap. Blech.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

That actually sounds like it should be awesome. Are there any super-progged-out bands who sing about sex and farm animals?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Zappa?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. Nevermind. :(

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

dream theater?

if you think that they are ridiculous you must hear their copycats...like them:

http://www.mightyrhapsody.com/index.php

giulio from genova, Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I just remembered, I wrote about Dream Theater this week.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

heh:
Dream Theater's pompous, bludgeoning style of prog-almost-metal will whet folks' appetite for the feast to follow. Of course, no one with functioning ears or brain can withstand more than 40 minutes of them, so an opening slot is almost as good as not hearing them at all would be.

b-b-but what do you REALLY think of them Phil? Don't hold back now...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes always had a much stronger sense of group interplay than, say, Mahavishnu Orchestra.

THANK YOU.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Even with Wakeman?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Mahavishnu is cool. Yes are dorks.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually finding that I prefer Return To Forever (only the four albums from Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy through Romantic Warrior) to Mahavishnu right now. And I prefer Yes to either.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I just like Yes a lot more. I don't know if they actually have better group interplay because MO just turns me off in a way that makes it hard for me to evaluate critically. I don't know how the guy who played In a Silent Way, Jack Johnson, and On the Corner (even Aura!) could have come up with something that feels so cold and repellent to me. I dunno, Ned, Wakeman must bug you a lot more than he bugs me. I actually really like, say, the doodles on "And You and I", the riffs on "Siberian Khatru", and the synth floats and piano breaks on "Heart of the Sunrise".

BTW how are McLaughlin's collaborations with U. Srinivas (whom I like a lot)?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, Ned, Wakeman must bug you a lot more than he bugs me.

He *really* bugs me, and not just in the context of Yes. I'm glad he left the Strawbs when he did.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Was he in Shakti, Sundar?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

'Cause his name doesn't ring a bell, but Shakti is great.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I Wakeman. Thas right.


Ned - you can hate me now.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I (heart) Wakeman, that is.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh dear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I stopped hearting Wakeman ever since Journey to the Centre of his Arse.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Jordan, it appears that he is in Remember Shakti. (He's a mandolin player.) And so, it seems, is Hariprasad Chaurasiya (flute), whom I also love.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shit you were right Jordan, Shakti is fucking awesome.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
This thread got me curious about this band, as the only thing I had ever heard from Dream Theatre is that they suck, so I borrowed a live from "Budokan" CD from a guy at work.

While there are definite moments of cheeze, there are some parts that were better than expected. The keyboard player doing all that wack Danny Elfman knicked stuff and the prissy vocalist bring the whole thing really down. All they need is Jon Lord and Ronnie James Dio and this could be a OK band.

Shakti is freaking insane, especially those high speed unison lines they get going.

A few weeks back, I picked up RTF's Romantic Warrior out of a used bin. I never had that one and boy there some cheeze on that one, especially on the second side. I don't know if it is because of punk rock or whatever, but it definitely seems true that all of those fusion bands lost it after 74-75 (excepting some of the ECM stuff, which really isn't that much like the rawk fusion made by all of those guys that played in Miles band but still gets labeled as 'fusion').

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think this band is bigger than they are because of their internet fanbase. I've witnessed large portions of non-music websites rally to have a meetup just because it's being held at a DT anniversary concert.

Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Be sure to read, if you have not already, this review of Petrucci's 'instructional DVD'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my...I remember laughing at the original posts before the reviews, but that Petrucci review is classic. It is not as funny as the Albania thread on ILE, but it is in the same ballpark.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
My friend's band are supporting Dream Theater in the UK soon - should I go and see them?

Matt DC, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

It'll be high comedy.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

THESE GUYS ARE SICK!!!

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

is that tony levin on STICK??

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah it is. Only the modified bass stick can handle Tony Levin's breathtaking virtuosity.

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link

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Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

the stick bass just makes me mad when i see it....

anyway yeah dream theater. i grew up on guitar magz so you know it's all good.

the real underground shit is shrapnel records shit though, that's tru wank. david t chastain and tony macapline and paul gilbert and blues saraceno and all those dudez.

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link

stu hamm

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Portnoy.jpg

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm assuming there's a giant gong where the photographer is standing, but until I see it, Portnoy gets no respect from me.

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

the SS Bozzio

http://grm.martin.free.fr/photosgraym/terrybozzio1.jpg

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

While, uh, 'researching' Dream Theater on wikipedia, I've discovered that half the band is married to half the chick-metal band Meanstreak. That strikes me as even more fucked up than the drumsets.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link

It is not clear to me whether all three couples were married at once, or if it's like some six-way open marriage or what.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe they were just annoyed with their husbands making love to their instruments rather than to them and decided to get even.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

There are many musicians whose styles may be legitimately compared to making love to their instruments. I'm reasonable certain that no member of Dream Theater fits this category.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link

they fingerbang their instruments

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

There are many ways to make love, oilyrags.

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not counting all that ridiculous "chili trombone" "rusty sanchez" stuff.

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link

From WFMU: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/08/you-better-not-.html

I think he signs off with the word "n00b"

Cunga, Friday, 3 August 2007 02:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Lord. (I was compelled to post a comment linking to the review of the Rock Discipline DVD on here.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 August 2007 03:03 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

This was the turning-the-clock-around album for Dream Theater. Mike Portnoy said that this album nearly killed Dream Theater because the record company wanted them to make a commercial album. I despise it when a record company tells you what to do, but Dream Theater compromised. Part of it you would expect to hear on Images and Words or Awake, and some you would go "HUH?"

1.New Millenium-Very techno-ish intro. This is not a great album-opener, but it's a great song. 4.5/5

2.You Not Me-This is the very commercial "huh?" song. Although it tried to be mainstream, I still liked it. Very short solo, however. 4/5

3.Peruvian Skies-The classics begin. This is a very nice soothing ballad turns rocker song. Intresting lyrics about someone named Vanessa. I think it's about child rebellion. Very good instrumental part. 5/5

4.Hollow Years-One of the best Dream Theater songs recorded. This is a regular pop ballad with Spanish influences. It may sound like every other pop ballad, but at least this one has a solo, and good lyrics. Very nice. 5/5

5.Burning My Soul-Did Dream Theater write that? NO WAY! This is an ultra heavy song. It's like Dream Theater taking a stab at Metallica, and they succeed. Great riff. Also, one of the best solos from Derek Sherenian. It sounds like a guitar! I guess the record swines wanted it to be a single. To the record industry: WAKE UP! No offense or anything to the fans, but do you realize who was popular in 1997? HANSON! Do you really think Burning My Soul would get anywhere? Nope, it sounds good! Can't let that happen! See my point? 5/5

6.Hell's Kitchen-It's ok, they could've done better than this. This sounds like a instrumental climax that should've been left in a 14-minute song. Actually, it was the instrumental part in Burning my Soul, but I guess that they let it out so that Burning My Soul could try to be a single. 3.5/5

7.Lines In The Sand-Pure Dream Theater. This is another 12 minute masterpiece. It has a great intro, probably one of the longest for Dream Theater, and the singer from King's X is in it (I forgot his name). Not a great instrumental part, but it still rocks! 4.5/5

8.Take Away My Pain-Great ballad. The guitar has a Police-vibe to it. Good lyrics. Also, a very soothing chorus. I like the bass in this one. No one gives John Myung credit. He's probably one of the greatest bassisits out there. 4.5/5

9.Just Let Me Breathe-A little dissapointing, but good lyrics. 3/5

10.Anna Lee-Nice ballad about child abuse. Very good piano line. 4.5/5

11.Trail of Tears-The geatest epic on this. Let's do this part by part:

I-It's Raining-Very nice intro, and a good jazz like verse. Intresting lyrics about wasted years. I like the chorus. It's got a good hook to it. 5/5

II-Deep In Heaven-Great solos by John and Derek. John's is more crazy, Derek's is more planned. Very nice. 5/5

III-The Wasteland-Great ending. Where is this Wasteland, might I add? Good guitar riff from John. The ending is very soothing, and it's a great ending to a great album. 5/5

YESSSSS

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 November 2008 05:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Hahaha

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

lol

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link


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