DJ Shadow: classic or dud?

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making a hyphy track when hyphy is at its peak is not 'experimenting'. more like trying to capitalize lol.

oscar, Saturday, 8 March 2008 05:33 (sixteen years ago) link

last time I saw him play he got huge boos for anything from the outsider. Eventually he stopped and spent a while explaining to the crowd that he wasn't going to apologise for experimenting, and he'd never make the same record twice, and he had to keep on trying new things.

this sounds really awkward and weird. given a boring, predictable lecture by a dude you paid to see rock the decks???

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 8 March 2008 07:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw him support radiohead some years ago and the crowd ignored him so at least he got a reaction. Which is better, maybe?

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 8 March 2008 08:09 (sixteen years ago) link

paying dj shadow to 'rock the decks' -- ya got burned.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 8 March 2008 10:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeh, I think he was also trying to say "you ain't from the Bay, so you aren't gonna get hyphy aw fuck it here's Organ Donor"

stet, Saturday, 8 March 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate all that backpacker, old-school "jiggy hip hop sucks, it was better in the olden days" shit.

Bodrick III, Saturday, 8 March 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link

those backpack rappers, always talking about jiggy hiphop

and what, Saturday, 8 March 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, always moaning about it. Back in the 90s, anyway.

Bodrick III, Saturday, 8 March 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate all that jiggy, old-school "backpacker-baiting sucks, it was much more fun in the olden days" shit.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 8 March 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

"i also liked Private Press. not 100% classic, but damn good.

-- one time"

yeah, i think that record is pretty underrated.

pipecock, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't take anything he does that features non-sampled vocals. Classic otherwise.

Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 9 March 2008 07:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Also true he is prone to delivering boring lectures mid-show, but so is Robert Fripp and he rates classic as well.

Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 9 March 2008 07:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Private Press is ruddy excellent and I'll fight anyone who claims otherwise.

chap, Monday, 10 March 2008 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

private press is a great coming-down album

max, Monday, 10 March 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

last time I saw him play he got huge boos for anything from the outsider. Eventually he stopped and spent a while explaining to the crowd that he wasn't going to apologise for experimenting, and he'd never make the same record twice, and he had to keep on trying new things.

this sounds really awkward and weird. given a boring, predictable lecture by a dude you paid to see rock the decks???

huge boos vs. big hoos

Jordan, Monday, 10 March 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i have defeated huge boos fyi

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link

those backpack rappers, always talking about jiggy hiphop

-- and what, Saturday, March 8, 2008 10:48 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

with the hippin and the hoppin and the bippin and the boppin

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

man i still love endtroducing

crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

yes

mark cl, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

still love preemptive strike too

mark cl, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i never got private press i should

crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I downloaded the 4-track era comp the other day. Have not listened yet tho

carne asada, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost. that's where i got off the bus. There's no standout tracks that I can remember and an awful use of a sample of "El condor pasa".

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Off 'You Can't Go Home Again'? That's one of his all-time best tracks!

ledge, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

private press is so underrated

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

great tempo:

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

private press >>> endtroducing imo

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

u crazy

mark cl, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

i listen to private press way more

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i just feel like that condor pasa sample doesn't at all fit in with that bit of music at all.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link

i have fond memories of driving around milwaukee and hearing some tracks on college radio before it came out and just knowing it was new dj shadow.

xp it does seem kind of out of place/tempo but it works for me, it balances it out the electro stuff.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link

cute:

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone going to pretend the Outsider was his best thing.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link

*crickets*

ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

private press >>> endtroducing imo

Yep. The highlights of Endtroducing are better, but PP is a far more consistent and coherent album.

chap, Saturday, 24 January 2009 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

The school band version reminded me of this:

C-L, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:02 (fifteen years ago) link

The El Condor Pasa sample in You Can't Go Home Again is in that sweet area right on the edge of sounding wrong.

ogmor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link

that sweet area right on the edge of sounding wrong.

Haha, I love that area. Perceptive comment.

chap, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:15 (fifteen years ago) link

private press is so underrated

― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, January 23, 2009 4:00 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree with this but hoos is wrong about it being better than introducing

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:20 (fifteen years ago) link

i saw him live once and during that 'now approaching MIDNIIIGHT' joint i forget the name of this guy near me goes "oh thats butter." for some reason that really annoyed me, to the point that i feel the need to repeat the anecdote now

xhuxk d (deej), Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link

so, yeah; dud.

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link

always dud

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

(although, dude is a miami bass fan...)

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

always will rep for shadow from hayward Ca, not the greatest place in the world but whatever. ENdtroducing is classic, private press is good but not as personal, the outsider is fucking terrible come on, seriously, why man?
Shit I'm drunk, apologies. Shadow classic on balance tho.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 24 January 2009 07:49 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

https://www.djshadow.com/news/shadows-st...try-here?page=1

Shadow's starting the New Year off with a bang, check out his latest journal entry here!
Posted Jan 4, 2010
WARNING: RAMBLING TIRADE FROM A 37-YEAR OLD TECHNOPHOBE BELOW

Well, here we are again, another year, another decade. Optimism about the future is tempered with a nagging sense that underlying factors causing most of the misery in the world still exist. Lucky, then, that I’m a musician and not a politician.

Specifically, when it comes to the wallet, everyone’s suffering…of that there can be no doubt. And what of the financial prospects for musicians and recording artists in the years to come? Shaky, at best. Unless you’re one of the grotesque ‘Idol’-type pop disasters in the top 5, you’re looking at getting a day job or finding other sources of income. Conventional wisdom amongst my peers has been remarkably short-sided over the last decade: “Yeah, CD sales are down, but all the money is in licensing.” Not anymore. “Yeah, licensing money is down, but the video game industry is killing it.” Less so these days, according to recent data. “Well, the real money is in touring.” Really? When was the last time you saw a ‘new,’ post-record company artist headline a major music festival? At this rate, we’ll be stuck with Coldplay for decades (no offense intended).

Time for a little straight talk, from one reasonably intelligent human being to YOU, the reasonably intelligent reader. As distasteful as it may sound, the fact is that so many of our heroes: Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane, The Beatles, whoever you care to name; generated much of their best art in return for financial compensation. If you take away the compensation, guess what…the art stops. For example, how many young rap artists are grinding away these days in New York, trying to get a deal? Not too many, certainly compared to the ‘80s and ‘90s. There’s no allure, no pot at the end of the rainbow. People have been asking for years now, “Where’s the next Nas, the next Jay-Z?” Be prepared to keep waiting…and for music, overall, to keep sucking. Why? Because only bottom-of-the-barrel, embarrassing pop tripe generates enough income to feed the machine. Anything unproven or risky? Nobody’s going to bankroll that kind of ‘experiment.’

Let me be clear: I love music. I love the culture of music, making music, playing music, geeking out over music from the past and present. I love old record company stories, and the characters that inhabited it. In other words, I have learned to appreciate the merchants of commerce as well as the art. If you love movies or cars, chances are you can relate to what I’m describing. What would Hollywood be without the larger-than-life, audacious personalities behind the scenes? What would cars be like if there had never been Detroit?

Gone are the recording studios (including the historically important Plant down the road from me in Sausalito), the record shops, and the music magazines. Replaced by the oh-so-cynical, oh-so-corrosive AM talk radio of the new millennium, the Internet. But I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. Chances are, you may have even been one of those majority who danced on the grave of the falling record companies, pointed to Radiohead giving their album away for free and said, “See, look, if they can do it, why can’t everyone else?” Slowly, I turn…

Every artist is entitled to their own price point, just as every consumer has a choice in what they purchase. Nobody puts a gun to someone’s head and says, “Hey, buy this Picasso for 20 million.” Likewise, if $9.99 is too much to spend for one of my albums, so be it, your choice. But if you’re holding your breath, waiting for me to boost my cool-quotient by giving my music away for free, it’s not going to happen. The fact is that I feel my music has value. You may disagree, and that’s fine. But I know how much energy I put into what I do, and how long it takes me to make something I’m satisfied with. Giving that away just feels wrong to me. It’s not about money per se; I can donate a large sum of money to charity and not think twice, but I won’t give my art away. I’d rather sell it to 100 people who value it as I do than give it away to 1000 who could care less. That’s MY choice.

I realize these are all unpopular subjects. Artists are never supposed to address their flock about such icky subjects as business and commerce. (By the way, and I hope it doesn’t sound disingenuous, but now would be a REALLY good time to express my undying THANKS for your support, which matters IMMENSELY in my ability to retain music as my primary endeavor. As a fan of others, I always used to wonder, “does this artist or group really care about whether I buy their stuff or not? Do they care that I go to their show?” YES, WE CARE!!!!! Now, more than ever). Most think that I should stop whining, grow up and embrace the Internet, become more active, tweet more, hype more, give more stuff away, etc, etc. Honestly, I’ve tried…and will keep trying. But the bottom line is that not every paradigm or system is right for everyone. We’ve all been told for years that the Internet is our Savior; it’s cool, youthful, hip, the solution to every problem, and if you aren’t joining a new networking site on a weekly basis, you’re a social pariah. Sorry…I just don’t feel that way. I’m old enough to know that when 99% of the population is marching lockstep in one direction, sometimes it’s wise to break rank and go the other way. Plus, I simply don’t like sitting in front of a computer screen all day.

I’m not saying that I don’t use the Internet on a regular basis; I do. And obviously I’m very proud of this site and its ability to support itself through the store. Honestly, I just think a large portion of the dialogue and content available online is an utter shit fest: a Pandora’s box of violence, neurosis, bad impulses, and bad intentions. It has become the “Super Horror Show” the Last Poets could never have dreamed of, like bad television on steroids and angel dust simultaneously. CL Smooth memorably called television “a schism…negative realism.” And much like the TV of the ‘60s and ‘70s, you will NEVER hear or read anything negative about the Internet ON the Internet. There’s too much money to be made, by someone somewhere (and hey, why ruffle the feathers of the goose that’s laying the golden egg, right?). 20 years from now, it will be interesting to see what hindsight reveals. I predict a flag on the time-line: when we moved closer to becoming a passionless, listless, hollowed-out society, one in which art and nature could no longer provide the psychological shock to the system required to endure another harrowing day of terror alerts and super-bugs. Music can only suggest sex and violence…the Internet provides both, full frontal and full strength, 24/7. Maximum dose.

Whatever…what will be will be. As long as I breathe, I’ll make music, love music, support music. I used to get in fights at school to defend my right to listen to rap, and I’ll fight on against any institution or prevailing thinking that seeks to dictate to me how and when the music I make is to be disseminated. If there’s 50 of you, or 100, or more out there willing to accept my right to choose, as I accept yours, then welcome aboard…you are my fan base. The rest of you that don’t, and want me to play someone else’s game…I wish you well. Let’s just leave the subject at that and call it what it is: a mutual misunderstanding.

Regardless, it’s going to be a hell of a year. I am working hard on new music, and hope to share some of it with you in the coming months (really!). I’m fully aware that there are many former fans that insist my best work is behind me. Well, respectfully, I disagree. It’s not easy walking the tightrope between artistic validity and financial solvency, but I stand behind all of the decisions I have made to date. What matters to me is that EVERYONE reading this knows that I take my career, my music, and my fans EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY. When I started in music 25 years ago, my mission was to provide an alternative, to expand the scope of choice available to music lovers like myself; and above all to demonstrate a willingness to go the extra mile and put the MAXIMUM EFFORT in EVERYTHING I DO, so that the bar continues to be raised, not lowered. Whether that manifests itself on stage, on record, or as a character in a video game, I honestly feel that I have given it my best, win or lose, and I’m proud of that. I have to believe that your continued support is a vote of confidence, which I take great comfort in as I strive to create some of my best work to date.

I may not be the best looking dude out there…I may not be the most linked-in, the most prolific, the most successful…but I’ll be god-damned if I’m not up there with the most passionate. If you agree with what I’m saying, that so much music we’re fed is utter GARBAGE that insults the intelligence, then no matter where you’re at…the States, the UK, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, wherever…we’re ALL outsiders, and we owe it to each other to band together and fight for something better. Personally, I’m loving the challenge, and when the time is right, I look forward to reconnecting with all of you.

Until then…

DJ Shadow

oscar, Thursday, 7 January 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

DJ Shadow is gone off of the net because of you.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Thursday, 7 January 2010 06:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I basically think he's right though - a large part of the music-listening world has been engaging in magical thinking for the past decade.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Thursday, 7 January 2010 06:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The internet backlash is gonna be big this year

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

would prob be good for me

not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Thursday, 7 January 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link

too long.. didnt read

Brainfreeze is outstanding.

billstevejim, Thursday, 7 January 2010 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link

DJ Frane's Journey to the Planet of Birds is a legit masterpiece imho. Vibes more with Private Press era DJ Shadow. But I love all of Frane's albums. They're made with a lot of love and cannabis

octobeard, Friday, 10 November 2023 23:38 (five months ago) link

did dj shadow sample anything from herbie mann’s stone flute? some serious gothtempo vibes there

brimstead, Friday, 10 November 2023 23:56 (five months ago) link


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