Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not Dick's Picks, but...

Does this new version sound better:
Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mark, I haven't heard 29, but I've heard that show and it is extremely good, particularly if you like the 77-78 style. You really can't go wrong with any show from 5/77 if you like that stuff (I think that period is a little over-rated, but its good). I think the Dick's Picks from Englishtown, NJ in 9/77 (I think it's like no. 21 or something) is a better show, though, so if you want a 77 show, go with that. The 77 NYE show is also shit-hot. (I think that's in the teens somewhere).

And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I had heard Phils bass was too high in the mix or something on the reissue.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's higher, yeah. I guess whether it's too high is a matter of taste.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Scott. Do love 77-78 era, & I like to see a "Scarlet-->Fire" in there somewhere, so maybe 29 is worth a shot (looks like it's the only one of the '77 Dick's Picks to have one).

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just wanted to point out for people who still don't know it...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GREAT LIVE DEAD RECORDINGS. and Furthur both have plenty of 1st rate SOUNDBOARD and other high quality recordings.

Download these for starters FOR FREE:

1977-05-08 - "one of the best" (5/7 and 5/9 were good, too)

1972-05-26 - soundboard

1977-05-26 - (same month/day as above, but different year)

1977-11-06 - "one of he best"

1970-05-02 - Harpur College (hard to find, but available as a Dick's Pick if you can't find it as a free download)

1971-04-28(?) - Fillmore East

1971 - Port Chester

1969 - Ark

1973 - Pavillion

1978 - Red Rocks









Lots of these are available as soundboard (SBD), just look for it. The Soundboards from 77 were especially high quality.

Sorry the dates are not in chronological order, but I started out doing it highest quality first and then I just went through my discs and chose the best for sound quality and performance. The above represent a good many hours of great live Dead: flub-free, energetic and good singing.

... and YES, I did learn all about bold punctuation from comic books!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude you're paying for "dick's picks" though not full shows... no on could edit like dick.

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The above shows don't need editing, IMO. Some shows do, plenty do not!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

... besides, aren't most Dick's Picks full shows? They're mostly 3 or 4 discers, which is inkeeping with those listed above. Some were highly circulated boots before they became Dick's Picks. I think a lot of what you're paying for is some remastering, but the free soundboard FLAC or SHN shows are so high-quality they often sound like official releases.

As far as paying $$...

I think "Go To Nassau" is just FANTASTIC! "Live Without A Net" is way overlooked, too, although I can see why people wouldn't like it. It grows on you, though.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I totally left out some of the best quality I've found yet (Just downloaded recently and were in my bag):

1977-06-09 - soundboard
1977-02-26 - soundboard
1977-04-22 - soundboard
1969-02-22 - soundboard

all totally killer quality top notch, but I'm not familiar enough to tell apart the 77's yet. I think 06-09 is the one that really is blowing me away lately.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Up above that should say "best quality I've found LATELY" (not "found yet").

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you are otm actually

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Listening to a bunch of live Dead recently I've determined definitely my favorite eras in order of preference are:

'77 - '78
'69 - '70

I like the warmer, funkier mid-70s stuff more than the turn of the '70s acid, I guess. Curious if there is anything in the '80s that might interest me. Downloaded a couple of supposedly great shows from '79 and Jerry was already sounding pretty rough.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Looks like you can't download shows from anymore.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Anybody else picked up this Rare Cuts and Oddities: 1966 thing that they are selling at ??

It's incredible: early Dead at their greaser/psychedelic-Tex-Mex best. The fidelity is insane too, it's like these cuts were recorded yesterday. It sounds way better than even the stuff on that Birth of the Dead comp. so crazy. There's a slowed down version of "Cream Puff War" on here that's great, a studio "Standing on the Corner", a version of "Stealin" that has an arrangement that's totally cooler than the one from the 1st single!!!!! I am not shitting you! this version of "Stealin'" is just tough ... it's just incredible. Any 1st album fan (and if you're *not* a first album fan yer nuts, get outta my face) needs to get this at once..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 23 December 2005 06:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've been getting into these through digital download at the gdstore (considerably cheaper than the imported CDs here):

Two From the Vault (1968) - really good

Grateful Dead Download Series Number 6 (also 1968)- also very good

but Dick's Pick's 12 (1974) - which is a favourite of Suzy Creamcheese, I think , from another thread - is a soft ultra-noodley show.

Which were the more harder jamming/ rocking years?

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

67-69 are def. the dead's 'hard jamming' years - garcia esp. seemed to play w/ much more venom during this period - check out the jams on tunes like The Other One, New Potato Caboose, Alligator/Caution/Feedback, Viola Lee Blues - i think you'll dig Dick's Picks 22 (a rare 68 show that SMOKES) or the 3 disc 69 Fillmore West set that Rhino have just put out

in his autobiog Phil Lesh sez that 74 (the 'wall of sound' era) was the Dead's finest year musically, and i sorta agree w/ him - personally i like the noodle-jazz stuff they got into round about 72-74, def. post-Bitches Brew rock music (and they cld still get pretty intense when they wanted to - just a diff. sound/emphasis). garcia certainly swapped gtrs round abt 70 and that seemed to make a major diff. to his playing

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
The 60's were definately the best era, to my taste. To me the music died with Europe 72, and maybe before that.

I'm looking for the best recording of Dark Star - other than Live/Dead (which is just incredible). Is there another recording that is nearly as awesome, yet different?

Is the Greyfold 1-hour remix any good?

Other One, Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Grayfolded is really nice, you should get it.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Grayfolded actually ends up being two hours I think (2 discs).

And I don't know, '73 Dark Stars are my favorite ('73 was my favorite year). There is a capital Dark Star from one of these '73 DPs ... Dick's Picks Volume 19, maybe? '73 was a great year for Playings and Eyes, both of which are represented well on this DPs.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 21 January 2006 22:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What was the consensus on that 11 disk Fillmore West? Or are people still working their way through it?

I bought one but I'm keeping it in shrink-wrapped mint condition as an investment for the time being.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
The jazzy Star on Dick's Picks Vol. 11 (720927) is wonderful.
As are 731111 and 731206 and the wonderful Winterland 740224,
which merges into an equally beautiful Morning Dew.
This is something I probably shouldn't admit, but I'm sad enough to have
a thirteen-and-a-half hour iPod playlist, consisting of Stars from 1968 (single version)
to 891026, when the tune reappeared after a long absence, I think ...

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think. I could be wrong, but the Nighfall of Diamonds release was from a show around that time.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think.
You're right, of course. The audience reaction there is fantastic.
I think the 891026 Star is considered o be one of the best late ones
and it's the only one I've got from that year.
The Rotterdam one (720511) is another favourite of mine.

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Yeah, what happened to archive? Do they only allow streaming now or what?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can download audience recordings but not the soundboards.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Are Dick's Picks history?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

let's hope so.

the table is the table (treesessplode), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Can't really tell ... they've been releasing stuff all over the place, so it's tough to keep track. I know they just released July 4th '89, which kinda sucks because it's been available in SBD for so long. But I guess a ton of shows have. And I guess that's why I haven't bothered with a Dick's Picks in ages (although they all tend to be great).

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ALTHOUGH I dug out the So Many Roads recently, which I'll throw into SEARCH.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Has anyone heard Three From the Vault yet? I'm definitely going to pick this one up.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 23 August 2007 19:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink


▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 24 August 2007 02:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lots on, tho i think i've got several (on ancient cassette, so mebbe time for refreshments)

dow, Sunday, 26 August 2007 03:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ugh, that's a sore spot, dow. used to have about 1,000 soundboards up; thanks to Bobby, Archive took them down a few years ago.

I haven't been keeping up w/ the Dick's Picks for the past few years, but no doubt they've probably released some good ones. Don't have the patience right now to rank all of the DPs, but off the top of my head I love DP 12 (Boston '74).

Jamesy, Sunday, 26 August 2007 09:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Jesus Christ "He's Gone" on Europe '72 is so, so solid & great

J0hn D., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's incredible. If you can get this bootleg from later that summer, 8/27/72, in Oregon (after Pigpen really is gone), not only is the "He's Gone" ever better, there's a ridiculously great cover of "Sing Me Back Home"---it's also on the So Many Roads box set, but the whole show is that great.

Euler, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"He's Gone" is originally about their tour manager that swindled them, Mickey Hart's dad. (/grateful dead pedant>

Trip Maker, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hence, "steal your face right off your head..."

Trip Maker, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

So what's up with this new series? This seem worthwhile?

Here's the deal: We all loved the Dicks Picks series. Over the course of 36 amazing releases between 1993 and 2005, GD archivists Dick Latvala (R.I.P.) and David Lemieux continually blew our little minds plucking one righteous show after another from the vaults

With Road Trips we're going to try something a little different. We want to plug in a few more pieces of the Grateful Dead puzzle by putting the spotlight on different tours and series of shows that have been neglected through the years. Take Road Trips Volume 1, Number 1, for instance. This two-disc set (plus a special Bonus Disc for a limited time only) was culled from the Dead's blazing fall 1979 East Coast swing, when the band was just hitting its stride with new keyboardist Brent Mydland. You'll find killer versions of "Dancing in the Street" > "Franklin's Tower," long exploratory jams on "Playing in the Band" and "Terrapin," a rattle-your-brain "Shakedown," and lots more, all pulled from the master tapes in the vault and expertly mastered in HDCD for maximum power and clarity by Jeffrey Norman. The Bonus Disc offers another hour-and-a-quarter of highlights from the tour.

Also, every Road Trips release will come with a beautifully designed booklet containing an essay about how the music on the discs fits into the Dead's long history, plus many rare and never-before-seen photographs.

We think you'll agree it's a pretty cool package.

Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 5 November 2007 22:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Is this the first big release post-archive-org-zapping of all GD SBDs?

Should be just as great as the DPs, although it's tough not to want complete shows; but, <i>Europe '72</i> is their best live album in a lot of ways, so who knows. It's a shame that they don't have the same over-dubbing options that they had for Euro '72.

Awful press release fwiw.

Jamesy, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 23:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Has anyone heard the 73 Winterland recordings? I could get a reasonably inexpensive copy of the complete box and am very tempted. Been listening to a lot of live Dead lately (with the few discs I have).

This says it's good:

But I very much empathise with this statement:

Donna Godchaux. Oh dear, oh dear.
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Duke, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Been really appreciating Live 72 lately. Especially disc 2, from the point when Truckin' melts into "Epilogue" and "Prelude", finished off with a lovely "Morning Dew".

Duke, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 20:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

There was a time in highschool when I memorized Sunrise (a Donna singing song) off of Terrapin Station. I think I just wanted to teach myself how to sing.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've never heard Terrapin Station. I thought it best to stop at Blues for Allah as far as the studio albums are concerned...

Duke, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 21:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

hmm too this day the only Grateful Dead albums I have ever purchased are (chronologically) Workingman's Dead, American Beauty, Skeletetons from the Closet (their first greatest hits), Blues For Allah, Terrapin Station, Dead Set (I prefer the slow version of Friend of the Devil on this cd), and Dylan and The Dead (real mediocre if I remember correctly). I might own Aoxomoxoa as well.

The first time I heard the dead was when some guy at my highschool let me hear his walkman during class. I was surprised.. it was really the first time anyone had ever suggested 'soft' music. I was expecting something much harder (I had no clue who the grateful dead were).

I don't think I could ever collect live recordings and try to find the best version of dead songs (too much work).
I do have The American Book of the Dead: The Definitive Grateful Dead Encyclopedia which has a little write up for every song and recommended concert performances of each song... but I can't help but want a second opinion -who's to say which performance was the best? Seriously who. I mean, you would have to take 200 hardcore deadheads who have collected everything and have them vote or something.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 21:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

i prefer the 74 winterland shows collected on the grateful dead movie 5 disc set, but i think thats kinda a minority opinion...haven't listened to that 73 winterland set for a while, but i remember being a little disappointed by the relatively samey setlist...quite a lotta repeptition, if i remember rightly - but 73 dead is 73 dead man!!

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

I might just go for it.

I do agree with you, captain about collecting the Dead live stuff -- I would just get lost. I have a total of about 6 or 7 live discs/sets of theirs only. I'm looking to add to that a little, without going totally over the top. (He says, contemplating a 9-disc purchase.....But it is cheap!).

Duke, Thursday, 30 July 2009 06:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

today i listened to DICK'S PICKS#36 on gd headphones and the dark star>morning dew from 9/21/72 is reason enough to pick this one up if you happen to see it at a gd price - there's lotsa noodle but some surprisingly angry and chaotic jamming too, garcia playing at his most angular/circular while lesh is thunderous and aggressively entwined w/ him - heavy! 72 is def, to my mind/heart, the dead's primo year for dark stars

can't remember if i've linked to this ol deadhead's blog before - love his descriptions and more of dead music, trading lore, audience recordings etc etc (i first came across it via a link on david keenan's blog so that dude def has his uses):

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also enjoying Watkins glen rehearsal from that same album, which goes from spacey to hippie funk until jerry introduces a major key

calstars, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yesterday i went through and listened to all of the top-rated performances of the first album songs on headyversion. well, i didn't actually get through pigpen doing "good morning little schoolgirl" for 16 fucking minutes, the album version was excruciating enough, but i did run across this ten minute jam on "cream puff war" from '66 that i liked a lot, actually. i have a hard time thinking of the dead as a genuinely "psychedelic" band, at least not in a way i'm into, but this sounded like it in a way jerry's playing usually doesn't for me.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 June 2019 12:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

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