British Food: Classic or Dud (S&D too)

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Yes! I was going to say, I think they share a name with something in the US that's completely unrelated.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

flapjacks, you mean? (one of these days I am going to give in and buy one of the ones with "chocolate-flavoured topping" on, I tend to stop and stare at them every time I'm in a newsagent)

bah xpost

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Those just appear to be granola bars, or breakfast bars??

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED (allyzay), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I see no flap here.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What I like about them is that they're quite filling but don't seem too horrible for you, despite the chocolate. I think some have healthy-ish things like raisins in them. I usually bought one after class in late afternoon to tide me over until dinner.

xpost Ally, they sort of look like that, but they're way better. More cakey.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

To make a flapjack you mix sugar, golden syrup, butter, and rolled oats; i'm pretty sure granola bars and breakfast bars are more complex? Soho coffee co in Oxford used to do something called "granola bar flapjacks" which were the most awesome thing ever, tho.

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

A couple of websites I found described flapjacks as "oatmeal brownies" or "a cross between a granola bar and an oatmeal cookie," which is about right.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

but don't seem too horrible for you

Haha, that's the problem with flapjacks, you think "ooh, healthy oaty goodness!" and forget there's like 1000 calories in a bar. Think about it, they weigh about 500g each.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

My first ILE thread (I'm pretty sure) dealt with English food!

Read it here.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad you revived that thread, if only to show people that DG wasn't always like this :)

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah you can tell there is genuine contempt behind his comment there re British food being ousted by curry etc. The bigoted swine.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of countries are good at bread.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

i remember no bread from my one trip to Berlin. only sausage. plenty, plenty sausage.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

BREAD>>>>>OTHER BREAD

I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities e.g. ask for Stargazey Pie outside Cornwall you'll get blank looks. Bath Chaps, Pan Haggerty, Pond Pudding etc. Some British foodies get all weepy eyed over the distinct cuisines of other countries (well you simply can't compare Calabria to any other region etc yawn) and forget that we have our own.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

is roast dinner a british thing. that's probably the only thing i really like

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

but then, roast chicken is no southern fried..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what about sausages?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

but then.. frankfurters..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I once ate so much sausage my ankles were swollen to the size of like, a pre-teen's thigh. It was terrifying. I was also really drunk and kind of freaking out, too.

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the best things about British food is that things which are not supposed to be sweet (bread, beer) have the appropriate level of savouriness or maltedness. In North America (or in Canada at least) the bread is sweetened to such an extent that it gives off a fetid honeyed odour and doesn't toast properly. Products sold as "ales" in North America also tend to have the appearance of lagers that have been sweetened and dyed brown.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yorkshire is pretty damn good for food by itself really. Yorkshire Puddings, obviously, cheese, beer and the best chips on the planet. That's better than Ally's tomato diet. I'm hungry.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, CURRY. I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet. So much "Indian" food has been invented over here. And Bradford has the best curry so the Yorkshire diet is looking pretty damn irresistable.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

British food = dismal.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Fourteen British restaurants in world's top fifty last year, Berkshire's Fat Duck at number one, incidentally

British food haters = ill informed.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think that it's disputed that London has some of the best restaurants in the world, but those restaurants don't all serve British cuisine.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 22 September 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities"

this isn't true everywhere in the world?


i admit that i am scared of words like treacle and suet and "marrow jam". reminds me of that famous brit offal dude with the famous restaurant. the whole pig dude.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Fergus Henderson, St John, 'Nose to Tail Eating', my favourite restaurant.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link


Cook and Moore's Frog & Peach sketch

nickn (nickn), Friday, 22 September 2006 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

What does London ILX think of Porters in Covent Garden? I was reminded of it by the Orwell thing saying you can't get decent traditional British food in London at reasonable prices, since that's supposedly about what the founder thought. I had a lovely pie there, but maybe they are not REAL enough for ILX traditional food fans or something. (OK, I mention it half-suspecting amusing ire will result, but I'd be pleased if it didn't)

(Bit surprised that Orwell says back there that if you want a good cheap meal you'd go to a Greek or Chinese restaurant; I'd been led to believe you just didn't find such things until at least the 70s. Maybe you only did in London.)

things that are readily available in the US but are completely different in the UK

Saw a webpage recently that was some American kid going "holy crap WTF look at all the weird shit the Brits eat! Here is the British food I have been eating on my holiday" and it was, like, "Coke! In funny-shaped metric bottles! Salt and vinegar crisps, gross! [picture of a tin of Pringles] Curry sauce?! [picture of McDonalds sauce sachets]". Still not sure whether it was a joke.

Rebecca (reb), Friday, 22 September 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Porter's was my favourite place when I was 7 or 8 years old. i have a soft spot for it but it is possible to get better pies and IIRC they do false pies, (i.e. a bowl of stew with a pastry top). I'd like to go to Porter's again out of nostalgia.

The Royal Oak in Borough is good for pies as I think I mentioned up thread and i really like the square pie company chain doing take away boxes of pie, peas and mash.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 September 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Scottish plain loaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, plain bread is the food of Satan. Aldo wrote something that made me cry laughing about it once. I shall find it, and it will explain everything.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

You try living without it and eating this English muck instead

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link

What I never understood about plain bread: why is it the only sort of bread that supermarkets sell in a paper wrapper?

My minging flatmate once bought some, and left half a loaf mouldering in a cupboard - the mould infected the wrapper too, crawled through the wrapper, and spread itself over the inside of her cupboard.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on this thread, do a search for piece'n'mince !

Scottish things and people that I like

It is horrible. My husband loves it and keeps buying it. It doesn't even fit in a toaster!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

When I talk to Scottish people who live in London it's generally No. 1 in the list of things they miss!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

... it would be tattie scones but you can get them if you look for them

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link

do a search for piece'n'mince

ALDOTM!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I want someone to commission aldo to write about this stuff properly. Grimly has suggested it. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

(it's the second of two google results for piece'n'mince)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That thread's an amazing thread! I had forgotten I had gone on about the bizarre properties of the mould you get on plain bread there too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 September 2006 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The problem I've found visiting/living in places outside of London is many people (though not all) don't have a clue what really good restaurant food is. For example, I've come across zillions of Glaswegians who think Ashoka is one of the best Indian restaurants in the country, but when I've had better curries from my microwave. Some restaurants, which place themselves at the more expensive end of the market, display a fundamental misunderstanding of cooking through the descriptions on the menu - I recently came across a place offering filet steak that had been braised and am still unsure if they were cooking the meat wrong or making a bad attempt at the flowery lingo that's de rigeur in your modern eaterie. There are some brilliant places to eat in Glasgow, but I've found that if a restaurant has a Reputation or chic interior design, it's best avoided. Dim Sum at the Chinatown restaurant is k-classic, mind. Mmmm, pork and crab dumplings, mmmm.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

For example, I've come across zillions of Glaswegians who think Ashoka is one of the best Indian restaurants in the country, but when I've had better curries from my microwave.

k-OTM.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been in an Ashoka once in my life - the one round the back of the Brewery Tap - because it had a special offer on and we were k-skint. It ended up not being that cheap, and it was nothing special either. Best curries = Ajuba in Elderslie, followed by Cafe India in Paisley. That place we went to with Cabbage and Vicky was good too (Mother India, was it?)

There are some brilliant places to eat in Glasgow, but I've found that if a restaurant has a Reputation or chic interior design, it's best avoided.

Ad-Lib's grey prawns and badly-spelled menu to thread!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Mother India's one of my favourites. I'm afraid C&V fell foul of some quite unusually slow service, though.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities"

this isn't true everywhere in the world?

That was my point, hence the Calabria dig. We get weepy eyed about cuisine de terroir, or difference in ham cures from one italian region to the next and yet forget our own.

those restaurants don't all serve British cuisine

The english language evolves constantly, taking on flavours from other cultures, why not the cuisine? An excellent point is made upthread about curry. Also, some of the restaurants listed serve french in the classical style, a style that was developed in part by imported British cooks. There was enormous crossover in the middle ages when the nation-state concepts of modern day "Britain" and "France" were significantly more ambiguous.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Name me another bread man enough to carry mince, gravy, carrots and totties without leaking or falling apart.
Roffles. I just bought some plain bread last night. The other think it makes really well is French toast.

stet (stet), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The auld alliance in action.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The other think it makes really well is French toast

OTM! Thank God I'm going back up to Scotland next week! Bring it on!!!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

The major chain grocer in Chicago (Jewel) has a multi-ethnic aisle that includes a British section. I wanted to try Spotted Dick, but it was unreasonably expensive, so I picked up another tasty-looking item, a can--I mean tin--of Heinz Curry Beans.

They.

Were.

VILE.

All I can taste now is cloves.

Should have gotten the Kit-Kat Chunky. I hear British mass market chocolate is way better than ours, even items of the same name.

Or maybe I should have shelled out for the Spotted Dick??

Jesse, Thursday, 24 January 2008 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I had some very bland chips at Whaddon Road in 2003 with no not very melty cheese slices. My most notable memory of the day was the house right next to the football ground with a boarded up window where presumably a league two standard defensive hoof had smashed through it at some point.

calzino, Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:30 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Pie, peas, gravy and a sausage roll at Barnoldswick Town (@barlickfc)

💷 £5.50 pic.twitter.com/21EWlCWcH6

— Footy Scran (@FootyScran) December 1, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link


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