The Power Of Nightmares/Adam Curtis

a) didnt really explore what Bin Laden's motivations were for trying a new policy of attacking america, going against what other islamic fundamentalist gorups were interested in (eg toppling central asian regimes*).

b) kept on repeating how the neo cons "grand mission" was some titanic battle of good vs evil, that seemed a bit suspect. are these people really solely driven by moral purpose, no matter how extreme or well, silly, that moral purpose is?

c) er i tcant think of another. but i sort of inherently dont believ things on tv when people make somewhat grandiose claims, whether they be blair, bush or some dude intoning opposing views over loads of tiny clips. it was kinda eisenstein-esque, and well, his aim was kinda totally "manipulate the viewer, worry bout factual issues later".

* interesting becasue in 2000 i was in debate with loads of russian politics students, and they savaged us about Chechnya, along the lines of "Russia is under the threat of Attack by a islamic super state, chehcnya will be the first to fall to them". We (ie a few brits) were all like, "WTF? Islamic fundamentalism? whats that? whats the issue here? quit being so paranoid!". a year later, it became a bit clearer what the idea of a threat from islamic fundamentalism might mean.

I think the current election results put this theory pretty firmly to rest, at least w/r/t "unity."

although if you ask me, chechnya is now about "you killed my brother/son, now i kill you" from both sides.

ok but russian paranoia can be viewed in relation to the number of bombings, kidnappings*, and other related incidents that are loosely connected (or are supposed to be) with Chechens**, that have plagued russia especially the south and moscow (hint: dont go there on holiday right now!) for the last 5 years. I nearly got blown up a few years back*** (i was 30 mins too early) so its kinds weird for me.

*yes i know these are not often actually really anything to do with the war, just get rich qucik schemes, but it is an easy thing to associate with other worse crimes if you want to hate on the chechens!

** I think "Chechmes" means "anyone south and east of Kislovodsk" nowadays in russia

*** Okhotny Ryad 1999. Gas explosion or bomb? apartment bombings: FSB or chechens ?!?! ooh the mystery!!!

Also inspired was using the audio from what seemed to be one of the phone calls from one of the planes used on 9/11 over the top of footage of Bush, Blair and Bin Laden in the intros to the programmes. It sounded completely unreal. If, indeed, that is what it was. In fact, that shot of Bin Laden at the start of the three programmes was possibly the best thing about all of it.

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/638/power-of-nightmares.jpg

And that not only did the programme show the amateur footage of the plane crashing into the World Trade Center, but that the 'FUCK! SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK?' exclaimations weren't cut out.

(and i'm sure alan knows this by know, but the recurring eno piece was "in dark trees")

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/davis200410211043.asp

michael ledeen is quoted:
"The situation at the CIA in the '70s was very similar to what's happened over Iraq. The CIA was busy saying that the Soviets weren't involved in international terrorism. This at a time when the PLO actually had training camps in the Soviet Union."

The Soviet Union also provided training for certain terrorist
groups on its homeland, as well as spearheaded training in the territory of its Warsaw Pact allies. The Soviets sponsored terrorism
as part of an overall strategy designed to destabilize Western
Europe/NATO by supporting international and Western revolutionary
movements whose insurrectional activities would have helped
expand the communist block and further Soviet aims. In fact, a
former senior officer of Soviet Military Intelligence stated that
"ideological sympathy with the Soviet Union is unnecessary: anyone
who helps destabilize the west is our friend."

"A typical member of the Palestine Liberation Army (PLO) selected
for training behind the Iron Curtain received an orientation brief on
expected conduct while undergoing instruction, as well as ideological
orientation prior to departing for Moscow. Upon arrival he was
greeted by the PLO representative there and arrangements were
made for further travel to the individual's ultimate training
destination."

"Pipes, perhaps the world's leading expert on Kremlin ideology, is left looking an amiable dunce. British viewers, unaware of his distinguished career, will be none the wiser". Oh, please, what misleading and condescending rubbish. I like that the article paints Britain as a nation of uninformed roobs, being propagandized by Moore and Chomsky.

First of all, the question of ideas. That is, is there anything at all, we talked about this a little off the record, is there anything at all to the Straussian Connection ?

Wolfowitz : It's a product of fevered minds who seem incapable of understanding that September 11th changed a lot of things and changed the way we need to approach the world. Since they refused to confront that, they looked for some kind of conspiracy theory to explain it. I mean I took two terrific courses from Leo Strauss as a graduate student. One was on Montesquieu's spirit of the laws, which did help me understand our Constitution better. And one was on Plato's laws. The idea that this has anything to do with U.S. foreign policy is just laughable.

Listening to the snippets on the Amazon page for 'Another Green World', it sounds more like 'Big Ship' to me.

Tuesday 23.20 BBC2

Wednesday 23.20 BBC2

Thursday 23.20 BBC2

Q&A from the series producer Adam Curtis here - note: Will the programme be shown internationally, in America or online?

We are very keen that the programmes are made widely available including in America and although the main networks have shown little interest

-- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.

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no DVD release planned because of the range of footage required to clear. a great shame as it seems that this is something everyone should see.
-- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.

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the musical choices are really good, he (and his team) just knows his shit. i have no idea how they pull that kind of thing together -- how much footage has to be gone through to find the 'right' bit -- if you think about how many diift news orgs cover the same stuff. it's the avalanches of facumentary!
-- Miles Finch (poptha...), January 20th, 2005.

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i need the torrents, and bad
-- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.

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Here y'go:
The Power Of Nightmares/Adam Curtis

-- Richard C (avoid8...), January 20th, 2005. (tracklink)

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I've been taping it.
playing brian eno throughout - classik!

It overlaps a bit with his other series on freud. that theme of society and its control reappears.

x-post

the bit I couldn't figue out was in the first part where that neocon wz trying to distort the threat of the soviets: "if there is no evidence for weapons doesn't mean it isn't there" like it was really logical, sensible thing to say. The conviction he had in that. It wasn't like he wz trying to concoiusly create a myth to fool the people so much just that he wz really paranoid but i need to watch it again.

-- Julio Desouza (juli...), January 20th, 2005.

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why that didn't show up in searching i don't know
-- Stevem On X (stevem7...), January 20th, 2005.

Anyone seen this?

today is 9/11. but in a way, every day since 9/11 has also been 9/11......

i interviewed Christopher Jason Bell (@UpdateTheGrids) about his sprawling found-footage chronicle of the B*sh years MISS ME YET, free to stream on @means_tv, for @thebafflermag ~https://t.co/EJmB1AnIIs

— $teve Macfarlane (℠) (@dimension_tide) September 11, 2023

I’m intrigued by this but, having been in high school during this era, I don’t know how long I could watch it without ruining my day with anger. Had the same reaction last year when I read Reign of Terror: How the 9/11 Era Destabilized America and Produced Trump.