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NO, no, no. It's god and the devil that have English accents.

If you are in a film, and you meet someone with an English accent, be very afraid. This is the rule. Like, all Nazis speak perfect English with cartoon German accents.

kate (kate), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

further origins? (a drawing from 1919)
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/libers/lam.htm

Donald Wolfowitz, Friday, 24 October 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

Neoteny theory fully discredited now. Big in Victorian times, though, and largely to blame for Freud.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

which is the neoteny theory which has been discredited? the humans-as-neotenous-apes specifically (status: i don't know) or the idea that difft species have arrived via developmental forking at foetal stage, the "junior" species gets "stuck" on some feature, and a new species emerges and proves successful (status: isn't the word "neoteny" just a term for a mechanism which no one - who isn-t actually a creationist - doubts exists)

also: how does either neoteny theory lead to most of freud? his deal was surely (right or wrong in any other way) the ousting of biology-as-destiny?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

(grrrr note to self: must avoid pavlovian response to words like "neoteny" and "elric")

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

axolotl = neotenous salamaner, but no speciation has occurred.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

Erm, I think I've got confused here. I thought victorian neoteny stuff was along the lines of the human foetus goes through stages in the womb that exactly mirror its evolutionary development. Freud's whole oral/anal/genital thing came from suggesting the modes of sexual behaviour developed in the same way. That is, the oral stage exists because our some of our distant ancestors reproduced via their mouths.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

I am quite clearly talking about something completely different. Damn my booze wooled brain.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

that's "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"!!

(bah i wish i had a schwa T-shirt w.THAT on it)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

yup.

Haeckel drew pictures of embryonic/foetal development at various stages to show how a mammal looks like a fish in the eraly stages of devlopment in the womb, then later like a reptile, just like the evolutionary stages. Except that it doesn't. He saw what he wanted to see.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

That's the bugger.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link

haeckel and jekyll!! DO YOU SEE!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
that's "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"!!

(bah i wish i had a schwa T-shirt w.THAT on it)

I miss the Schwa Corporation stuff...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

haeckel and jekyll!

NO ONE DID SEE :(

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure why they're so gung ho on radio signals. Aliens communicate through direct mental contact. Sometimes physical. Is there any more reason to suspect they'll be sending radiowaves than there is to expect they'll speak English?

Scorpion Tea (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

It's more likely than not that there have been millions of civilizations somewhere among the hundreds of billions of stars within a hundred thousand light years of Earth, i.e., in this galaxy alone. It isn't more likely than not that any of them have found their way to this insignificant little world, even though it was more than 60 years ago that the democrats nuked Japan, thereby sending an electromagnetic pulse into space announcing that we have some technologically brilliant scientists and some sociopaths here. If we humans had evidence of such shenanigans on another planet, we'd be hard at work trying to find a way to go out there and have a look, working around the fact that our present knowledge says that it can't be done in anyone's lifetime.

As for believing in alien visitation...there are millions of people right now in this country who believe that a grandiloquent, done-nothing mediocre senator whose only notable accomplishment has been emphasizing a few of the myriad reasons why Bill Clinton's wife shouldn't be president, and who listened to two decades of anti-America vitriol from his "spiritual guide" without lifting a finger in his country's defense, ought to be Commander in Chief. Such people shouldn't have any trouble believing in extraterrestrians or anything else. If Barack Hussein Obama, a gifted orator (a complete description), tells them the aliens are teen-aged space-Mormon "elders" sent here to preach the joys of polygamy, they'll believe it.

and what, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

i am totally copping that line of argument sometime

deeznuts, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Isn't someone going to show a "real" living Ailien on video somewhere today? Denver or something?

Where did I read this? Don't remember

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Denver Man Makes Alien Claim

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Call me a doubter, but I'm a little skeptic.

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Call me a doubter, but I'm a little skeptic.

http://www.criticalgamers.com/archives/pictures/LittleGerman.7.19.06.jpg

Frogman Henry, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Alien will be mans dog in wearing a hat.

Jarlrmai, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link

(a complete description)

Jordan, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Total number of alien/ufo photographs = directly proportional to amount of Adobe Photoshop Torrent downloads

Ste, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

pic leaked from press conference!

http://pieceoplastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/darth-vader-dog-costume.jpg

jeremy waters, Friday, 30 May 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a lot worse than I feared: it's not even a good fake.

http://origin.denverpost.com/news/ci_9427587

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2008/0530/20080530_012652_Alien.jpg

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

that fake alien is evidently a total perv, as well

dell, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Compare with this deliberate fake video:

http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/ufo/alienwindowfinal.mp4

(from http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/ufo/ )

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Alien will be mans dog in wearing a hat.

-- Jarlrmai, Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25 PM (6 hours ago)

or chaki in a bra

DG, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

It was unclear whether the creature was taller than 8 feet and was crouching to avoid detection or whether it was standing on something. It also was difficult, because of the faintness of the object, to tell whether it was three dimensional.

Is this just sarcasm or is the journo really 'unclear'?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i27.tinypic.com/1115abo.jpg

(xpost)

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Just what we needed to see.

The image of either a super tall ET ducking down below a window ledge or a smaller one standing on a box to peep at some teenagers is pretty funny though.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link

oh man i want to see this stan romanek video so bad

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 30 May 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

haha i love the way that alien in the window just rapidly zooms off at the end.

Ste, Friday, 30 May 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

i love terribly executed hoaxes

latebloomer, Saturday, 31 May 2008 02:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the start of a viral publicity campaign for the new x-files movie?

msp, Saturday, 31 May 2008 02:24 (fifteen years ago) link

stan tiger romanek

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 31 May 2008 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Scary!

http://cbs3.com/topstories/finger.new.jersey.2.1118935.html

StanM, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Useful accompanying image.

"Did ancient manicurists drop this finger?"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Qpm2BOJuE

?

StanM, Monday, 24 August 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

A tiny ball made from titanium and vanadium "with a 'gooey' biological liquid oozing from its centre" found in the upper atmosphere, it sounds like standard click-bait bollocks but it is quoting an eminent nobel prize winning microbiologist so maybe quite credible.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/aliens-may-have-sent-seeds-create-life-earth-claims-british-scientist-1488081?

xelab, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:47 (nine years ago) link

cool will read

first reaction its a bloody marketing ploy for Prometheus bloody two tho

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:49 (nine years ago) link

ah wikipedia

Also, he has claimed that the red rain in Kerala is a biological entity, which is huge if true.[6]

how's life, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:50 (nine years ago) link

Lol The microbiologist they are quoting has been dead for a decade!

xelab, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 12:55 (nine years ago) link

there's a lot if that on ilx recently, cf rolling obit thread.

maybe ilx is purgatory and anyone we mention can reliably be presumed deceased by now

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 13:08 (nine years ago) link

CONTROVERSIAL LIST REDACTED

english fatuus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 13:24 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

directed panspermia as a potential origin of life on earth is interesting

it's also compelling, to me, to you bake in the notion that there are alien communication signals out there that we've yet to develop the capacity to collect--as if the seeds were planted with a tape recorder, and barring a downward shift in technological development we plants might any day now figure out how to press play

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link

Modern views of abiogenesis (esp recent ones focused on deep sea alkaline hydrothermal vents) are adequate to account for an independent arising of microbes on Earth some 3.8-4.3 billion years ago, and there's no extant evidence of latter arrivals. All life uses essentially the same energy apparatus and genetic code, though there are enough differences between Eubacteria (on one side) and Archaea / Eukaryotes to suggest DNA replication and membrane synthesis either diverged extremely early or had two independent origins.

That's not to say that it had to be on Earth. Earth gets peppered with bolide ejecta from Mars on a regular basis, and some microbes seem to survive long passages through the radiation and vacumn of space. It's plausible that life first originated on Mars, and supplanted feeble early attempts on Earth; or vice versa. Moreover, the solar system regularly passes through regions of higher stellar density, where life conceivably could be exchanged between systems. Enough generations of this, with sufficiently durable microbes, and in time every remotely habitable planet in the galaxy could be exposed to life from a single origin. Not directed panspermia, just the numbers game of nonnillion microbes on Earth, trillions ejected into space, handfuls still viable upon landing elsewhere. That may be the fate of our galaxy. More terrifyingly, its plausible that another, fundamentally more efficient form of microbial life could be making the rounds, and just hasn't landed here, yet.

As for the Fermi paradox, it appears complex life (eukaryotes) evolved only once on Earth. The universe may be teeming with microbes, but the transition to complex life is far more fraught. Intelligence doesn't seem much of a bulwark against environmental/civilizational collapse, indeed any evolved dominant species may follow have resource demand/social status perogatives incompatible with preserving its own cradle. And given any species that can dominate a planet is likely rapacious, those few that manage to adopt sustainable behavior, suitable to finite planets or colonization ships, may find preemptively exterminating others an imperative. The smarter species, recognizing this, would lay low, and not broadcast their presence.

Sanpaku, Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link

i’m with terence mckenna, mushrooms are extraterrestrial in origin

*sees through time, dies*

dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:59 (six years ago) link

government passing a bill is easy - if there's something there they want to know, if not then no harm. plus as mirage men shows, gullible & venal senators are happy to sign up to anything that sees money coming their way. don't know about the contractors - healthy and sensible scepticism? don't know the ins & outs of what you're referring to though.

organ doner (ledge), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 20:28 (four months ago) link

"non-human intelligence"?

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 21:11 (four months ago) link


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