Disney animated features: The rappel à l'ordre (1989-1994)

Were the television shows Quack Pack and Goof Troop popular in the US? I remember watching them for years on tv over here and thinking of A Goofy Movie as just an extended episode.

i think fully accounts for

no, only partially

I just remembered that my school bus driver in 6th/7th grade was known for being a little "wacky," with one of his crowd-pleasing stunts being a spot-on Donald Duck impression. So we must have basically known what Donald sounded like, maybe from his educational films or rare DuckTales cameos.

i havent seen any of these since i was a kid but i did watch the opening scene of TLK on youtube recently and i wont lie it still gave me chills. you can just coast after an opening that good. its become part of Disney Lore that it was actually made by the b-team and they didnt have high expectations for it, pocahontas was supposed to be their next huge hit

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This is so interesting, and strange - it makes a kind of sense but it's not like it's such a cheap-looking movie. I wonder at what stage, for example, did they bring in Elton John? I'm imagining some early draft version of the film with "SONGS GO HERE" and "WILL RENDER STAMPEDE IF YOU LET US USE THE NEW COMPUTERS" title cards, and at some point the producers being won over or something. But I mean, I remember a maaaaaassive marketing buildup to this, a bunch of 'making of' TV bits and pieces, here's Elton in the recording booth, here's someone at a computer, etc. etc.

yeah i've heard that before and it kinda blows my mind, just seems so much more ambitious and grand (i mean it's got the CIRCLE OF LIFE), like what they had been building toward, a real fuckit balls out feel to it. it'd be like finding out use yr illusion was originally supposed to be just a tossed off quickie project, axl's real focus was on the spaghetti incident?.

did you guys have Dtv?
No idea what that is. I know there existed people who had satellite, but no one I knew had it.

Dtv was this thing disney did where they jerry rigged music videos w/ pop songs and vaguely fitting video from their cartoons, i never miss an opportunity to bring it up

this should give you an idea -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XsehbuxUw

okay, that's pretty great, Eurythmics one in particular is better than the real video

Ha, well, that is something. Jeffrey Jones will always be the terrifying dude in Howard The Duck to me.

DTV was fucking great!!

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Still waffling. My plan was to vote Rescuers Down Under in protest to the stultifying Republican musical parade, but the thing is that (lovely animation aside), it wasn't THAT good of a movie. Might still do, might still honor the DuckTales show through the movie, or might gamble that Little Mermaid doesn't have too much objectionable shit I don't remember, because what I can remember of it seems pretty good. Also 'Under the Sea' ffs.

just occurred to me the other day that 'under the sea' is totally based on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQ3vNOAk8k

Beauty and the Beast.

Remembered the dumb ending to TLM, flipped coin, voted Rescuers.

aladdin was my favorite of these as a kid but i don't really remember why, maybe i just identified more with the male lead? have no idea which i would like most now. i think i've actually seen beauty and the beast the fewest times of the big musical disneys, my sister had most of the others on vhs but not that one, but i can definitely imagine it aging the best and aladdin aging the worst.

i'll have an actual opinion on the next batch since there's one in there that i always liked

also am i just making this up or did all of the musicals have exactly 5 musical numbers?

Little Mermaid definitely has more, but I think they got the formula down more after that. I'm sure someone's made charts or something - gotta have an early-movie song establishing the big themes/setting, another one for the protagonist's state of mind or personality at the beginning, a villain-introducing number, a lighter or comic-relief number for the supporting cast, and a love theme. They don't sing through the climax and denouement, so that about does it except for reprising one of the above at the end, bada-bing bada-boom.

does tlm have more? i count: part of your world, under the sea, poor unfortunate souls, the chef's song, and kiss the girl. (un

I think I was counting "Fathoms Below," which tbf I don't really remember much, but it seems like it serves the same role as "Arabian Nights" and is thus redundant to "Under the Sea" as a scene-setting curtain-raiser. Maybe not a 'full' song though. Definitely not counting the gag song that Ariel's sisters don't finish.

aladdin doesn't have a villain song, another strike against it i guess

Woah, that's true! Never realized that. Wonder if they had one planned and cut it in favor of Robin Williams getting two big numbers? I could also see some really different version of Arabian Nights being given to him (he could be welcoming a suitor or something), in which case the "it's barbaric, but hey - it's home" might actually help set up something in the movie rather than just being discomfiting.

But really what's clearly missing is a showstopper for the Cave of Wonders, huge missed opportunity.

For years I marveled at brazenly dirty lyrics to the B&B 'GAston,' song, only to finally read the lyrics and learn the questionable phrase read "no one's NECK's as incredibly thick as Gaston" and heave a sigh of relief/sorrow

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hahahahahahahahaha

gaston is an awesome villain. so is ursula, though. actually, even though his characterization is super-racist, so is jafar.

i loved beauty and the beast so much as a kid.

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bottom two are right and the top 4 are all great so ya cool whatever

Awesome turnout. Wow. Kinda surprised Aladdin beat The Little Mermaid, but I shouldn't be - it outright won one of the other polls covering similar territory. Just on technique and entertainment skill and so on, I'd probably rank the big musicals the same way the voters here did - Little Mermaid does not have Robin Williams, thank god, but it is still a bit rougher and rustier.

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Disney animated features: Mannerism (1995-1999)

I thought the live action Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast and Jungle Book were better than they had to be, but holy shit the live action "Aladdin" trailer looks like some straight-up mid-90s garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foyufD52aog

whooooooof

These movies are literally the most pointless thing ever.

This is from a few years ago. I knew about the Lion King ripping off Kimba The White Lion but didn't know about the extent and assholery of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJvKIDS9n8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1YHXnlJWI4

just tried to give the DuckTales movie a whirl since we've got a free trial of D+ to goof around with and OOF, had to bail like two minutes in as the middle eastern stereotypes piled up. maybe it gets better later but i regret throwing it a token vote here if indeed i did so.

Racial stereotypes in a Disney movie???! Oh my stars and garters

i mean this is a major beef of mine with plenty of their stuff, cf. Aladdin. just didn't know to expect it in this one, jeez.

designed lights for a junior prod of TLK opening tonight, tried to brecht it up as much as i could lol. the lionesses have a "hunting song" that ends w them bringing down an an antelope and feeding on it in a circle upstage (tossing plastic bones away etc); i hit them with a blood-red strobe and black out everything else for a few seconds before simba runs in like "hi mom!!" and lights return to normal daylight for mom turning around wiping her mouth; later when simba witnesses his father's murder it happens in the same blackout and the same strobe. more like the circle of death

and yet nothing i could think of or do could ever stand against the power of my own pale 1/1000th onstage imitation of

i did watch the opening scene of TLK on youtube recently and i wont lie it still gave me chills. you can just coast after an opening that good.

pure hi-tech propaganda. i argued for gaston upthread as most effective villain of this era (stand by this) but a huge point in scar's favor is the cut from the climactic timpani hit sealing off the monarchist ecstasy of this opening directly to scar relishing the first spoken line of both movie and show: "life's not fair, is it?"