Search & Destroy: John Coltrane

haha, cool. i know next to nothing about how much stuff goes for, so i'm curious. don't expect to make a fortune but it's interesting all the same.

I started a thread on the Steve Hoffman forums asking about this. Only one reply so far, but it said that unless the music was previously unreleased, a mislabeled record isn't worth a lot (or at least, not appreciably more than an error-free copy of the same record).

So, depending on condition, probably around 30 pounds/$50.

Cheers. Well that's a fair bit to me.

good longread here: http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/06/03/an-absolute-truth-on-writing-a-life-of-coltrane/

This is a tremendous and fascinating story; thanks so much for posting!

i've never read that book, but really want to now. i thinnnk my library might have it? seems to be sort of hard to come by, even the reprint.

that's a really cool story

Yeah, great piece - thanks for the link!

All-day birthday broadcast today:
http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/wkcr/story/john-coltrane-birthday-broadcast

I know it just came out today but anyone heard "Offering" yet? (wasn't Christian Vander's post-Magma band called Offering?) I have a boot of half the show but curious to hear anyone's heard the "new" thing.

Also, HBD JC

My work firewall seems to prevent me listening to WKCR's stream for some reason. Weird because I can always get FMU. Oh well.

Ugh, I know, I'm not able to get this at work, either.

One of the highlights will be an Evan Parker interview between 7-10 eastern tonight. That should be interesting.

I've had Offering for a couple of months. Considering it was recorded with a single microphone, it sounds amazing; the engineers recovered way more sound than I thought they'd have been able to, though you'll never be able to convince me there was actually a bassist present that night. Musically, it's really strong, though a couple of nobodies wander onstage and start soloing - and Coltrane lets them. Totally worth hearing if you're already a diehard, though not recommended for new fans.

Can't even listen on my phone w/ cell data.

Finally got the stream going, Marion Brown just finished his solo on "Ascension."

How much of the final Quintet is there recorded and released?
Looking forward to getting my hands on this Offering set but wondering what else is out there both studio and live. Cos I get the feeling they're greatly under-represented and I'm not sure if it's me or what is available by them.

Studio, there isn't much...in fact, strictly speaking, that quintet only made one studio record (Expression). Stellar Regions is also studio, but it's a quartet (no Pharoah).

There's a few live things, though: Live at the Village Vanguard Again!, Live In Japan, and The Olatuniji Concert.

I've only heard the boot of Offering, but it's tremendous, easily on par with Live In Japan, which itself has always been a high-water mark of this music for me.

I thought there was more, or is that just officially released. looks like I've had all of it but the Olatunji concert though I need to get new copies of a couple of things.
Hadn't realised there was no Pharoah on Stellar Regions & I did think there were more studio recordings which had been put out at least posthumously though i didn't know titles. Was that all Quartet stuff?
& Alice reworked some material prior to posthumous release by editing/overdubbing from what I've heard.

Live in Japan is the one Coltrane rec I'd return to.

I did think there were more studio recordings which had been put out at least posthumously though i didn't know titles. Was that all Quartet stuff?

Yeah, most of the posthumous stuff was the Quartet (Sun Ship, Transition, Living Space, First Meditations, others), or some coagulation of the Quartet + others (Live In Seattle, Om).

& Alice reworked some material prior to posthumous release by editing/overdubbing from what I've heard.

I think that's mostly on Cosmic Music, but I've never heard it.

forgot about transition, that's a great fucking record

Infinity is the reworked one (and it's fucking glorious; I wrote about these albums almost exactly a year ago), Cosmic Music is two tracks by John Coltrane's group and two tracks by Alice's.

Infinity is amazing, agreed, I also liked those two tracks on Cosmic Music OK, but I sold it years ago so I must not have *really* liked them

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/gallery/2014/oct/04/catastrophic-coltrane/

^ horror show of a review.

You can like or dislike Coltrane's work in this period (defining what it was to be 'in transition' a lot of the time) but its his "confession" around his oh so clever use of the word "catastrophe" that comes off so...ineffectual and weedy. Just leave it there man.

Having skimmed through this thread I guess I am going to have to give Meditations another go!

Anyway, for what its worth, Coltranology Vol 2 is my pick.

https://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=3293&action=edit&postpost=v2

is it me or does Coltrane *almost* break into "Happy Birthday" on "Welcome" (from Kulu Se Mama)?

Birthday celebration on back-to-streaming, now-with-playlists WKCR!

Found out last year that my Dad had the same birthday as Coltrane though I think he was at least 12 years younger. Then missed any comment about JC's Birthday this year so missed it.

Rarely see my dad and grew up without him so don't know if i ever knew his birthday

Your dad isn't ilxor... oh never mind.

Didn't know this was on its way--opens in a couple of weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMFNuDJmc1Q

http://www.openculture.com/2017/04/the-tone-circle-john-coltrane-drew-to-illustrate-the-theory-behind-his-most-famous-compositions-1967.html

http://cdn8.openculture.com/2017/04/11003129/coltrane-circle-new.jpg

rad

yeah that is wild! hadn't seen it before.

So cool.

I'm curious about the doc becuz of home movies of Trane in a bathrobe, slippers, and pipe playing with his dog, less interested cuz Carlos Santana.

And something I've been wondering lately...are there more tapes of the Live at the Village Vanguard...Again! date? That record can't be everything they played that night is it?

lol santana yeah ... hopefully he's a small part of that doc. still, this shreds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDwvSTrpj0

don't know about more Again! tapes --seems like they'd've made their way out to the world by now in some form?

Yeah that's what I would have figured...but it isn't exactly a widely loved/known (outside of heads I mean) lp so maybe it's been overlooked? Just that line-up only playing a 40 minute set (with a long bass solo) seems unlikely

I was about to post that santana / mclaughlin track ... imo the best "love supreme" version ever

Best "Love Supreme" cover is Alice's from World Galaxy

i'm sure more was taped — but they've put out lower-fi "previously unheard" Coltrane recordings (like that Olatunji Concert or the One Up One Down CD or the Temple University set). would love a big box set of the 66 vanguard recordings though, mannnnn. i also always wonder how embarrassed everyone else in the band was to be photographed with jimmy garrison on the day the cover photo was taken.
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/226/MI0003226957.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f8/04/d4/f804d4d95e23925fda5a3cd855c8c0ae.jpg
"jimmy we told you we were taking the photo today! this is what you chose to wear?!"

xpost - disagree!

he looks like some kid they just picked up from summer camp

everyone else looking cool as hell!

i like the archimedes badkar version of "love supreme" from their first album

read carlos santana as carlos castañeda and wigged out a little momentarily

"jimmy we told you we were taking the photo today! this is what you chose to wear?!"

"You guys told me we were going to the beach!"

i'm sure more was taped — but they've put out lower-fi "previously unheard" Coltrane recordings
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I pulled out the cd reissue last night and per a very small note from Michael Cuscuna "doubtless more music was played this night but no tapes or paperwork exist" :(

I love Jimmy Garrison's knobby knees! There's a photo from I think the Olatunji concert Garrison's got the same outfit on.

Love that album cover, love that they certainly don't look like they're a face-melting free jazz group

oof if cuscuna couldn't track anything down, it's probably lost forever.
garrison was capable of looking totally cool, of course ...
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